Episode 15

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Published on:

23rd Feb 2026

Mr. Neal: Social Work Stories That Matter

Dr. Stance is thrilled to sit down with Mr. Neal, the social work superstar of San Francisco County! In this heartwarming chat, we dive into the trials and triumphs of working with youth in foster care, especially those aging out between 18 to 21. Mr. Neal shares his 25 years of experience, shedding light on the pressing housing challenges these young adults face as they transition into independence. We laugh, we reflect, and we even get a bit emotional as we discuss the impact of the current housing crisis on our foster youth. So grab a cozy seat and join us for an insightful conversation that’s not only informative but also filled with some good laughs and heartfelt moments!

Transcript
Speaker A:

What's up?

Speaker A:

What's up, y'?

Speaker A:

All?

Speaker A:

This is Dr. Stantz.

Speaker A:

Welcome to Turning youg Hustle into a Legacy.

Speaker A:

I have the infamous, the one and only.

Speaker A:

Okay, Mr. Neal.

Speaker A:

Welcome, Mr. Neal.

Speaker B:

Thank you.

Speaker A:

I'm gonna explain to you who this man is.

Speaker A:

Okay?

Speaker A:

There would be no doctor stance if there was no Mr. Neal.

Speaker A:

Okay?

Speaker A:

This man is the number one, the best social worker from San Francisco County.

Speaker A:

He is my.

Speaker A:

The reason that there is be with luxurious fostering transitional housing.

Speaker A:

Welcome.

Speaker B:

I'm really excited, Dr. Audrey.

Speaker B:

You know, I call you doctor.

Speaker A:

He called me Dr. Audrey.

Speaker A:

He the only one that called me Dr. Audrey.

Speaker A:

And I love it too.

Speaker A:

Hey, Dr. Audra.

Speaker A:

I love every moment of that.

Speaker A:

I can't lie.

Speaker A:

Literally, you the only one.

Speaker A:

I love it, though.

Speaker A:

That's your signature.

Speaker A:

But I'm glad you're excited.

Speaker A:

Welcome.

Speaker B:

I'm so, so excited.

Speaker B:

And just your.

Speaker B:

Your layout is just stupend.

Speaker B:

Stupendous.

Speaker A:

Thank you.

Speaker A:

Thank you.

Speaker A:

I know he walked in and was like, dang, this is real.

Speaker A:

Yes, it's definitely real.

Speaker A:

I promise you.

Speaker A:

Percy.

Speaker A:

Shout out to Percy, our producer.

Speaker A:

When I first started, I had everything lined up.

Speaker A:

Everything.

Speaker A:

I had too much and I didn't realize how real this is.

Speaker A:

It's real, right?

Speaker A:

But I invited Mr. Neal because like I said, Mr. Neal is a topic placement social worker that I love from San Francisco County.

Speaker A:

How long you been there, Mr. Neal?

Speaker B:

Next month will be 25 years.

Speaker A:

25 years as a social worker with the county.

Speaker A:

So, you know, he got stories for days.

Speaker B:

With one county.

Speaker A:

With one county.

Speaker A:

And I'mma be honest, San Francisco is probably one of the toughest counties.

Speaker A:

Would you agree?

Speaker B:

Definitely.

Speaker B:

I mean, just the whole housing market, the cost of living, it's tough because, you know, I'm born and raised San Francisco, so I am San Francisco in terms.

Speaker B:

amily came in around November:

Speaker A:

Wowzer.

Speaker B:

And it's all basically populated in the Bayview, Hunters Point.

Speaker B:

So San Francisco is like.

Speaker B:

That's all I know, Period.

Speaker B:

And to see the changes and the dynamics and then to see when people in foster care, youth in foster care that come out of San Francisco can't live in San Francisco because of the housing issues.

Speaker B:

It really.

Speaker B:

It's tough.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

No, it's beyond tough.

Speaker A:

That's why I couldn't, you know, I can't afford pretty much with the program and the funding to open in San Francisco.

Speaker A:

So a lot of you guys, youth come to Oakland.

Speaker A:

That's the closest city to San Francisco.

Speaker A:

But I will ask you this.

Speaker A:

You said you've been doing it for 25 years.

Speaker A:

I think the people want to know because a lot of people don't know.

Speaker A:

You guys experience working with the.

Speaker A:

This is the toughest population we work with 18 to 21 year olds.

Speaker A:

We get them at the roughest time.

Speaker A:

What was your worst or most memorable situation with a foster youth?

Speaker A:

Well, they may have had you crying at night like God damn.

Speaker B:

Well, I think for me, I think it's the parenting foster youth when they reach 18.

Speaker B:

I've had a few that of course had to live out of San Francisco.

Speaker B:

Meaning I had to live way matter of fact out here.

Speaker B:

Kind of like in Stockton and Covid hit.

Speaker B:

And so you kind of had a few like scenarios within their story or within their journey.

Speaker B:

And by the resources being so far away in terms of San Francisco is pretty resource rich, but it's relegated really to the county.

Speaker B:

So when you're trying to really get resources in other counties, you're just like praying you, you know, crossing your fingers, holding your breath and just for my youth to be able to successfully parent her child during COVID Can't work, can't really go outside, can't really do things.

Speaker B:

And it just, I mean every day it was just like, you know, pins and needles, you know, how they gonna survive?

Speaker B:

Yeah, we got them food vouchers and things.

Speaker B:

But just being able to support them being so far away and 18 to 21, that's a newer population.

Speaker B:

Because I can remember the days 20 years ago where it was 18 and you graduate high school.

Speaker B:

That's it.

Speaker B:

Or if you didn't graduate high school by your 18th birthday, it was 19.

Speaker B:

Regardless whether you graduated from high school or not, you were gone.

Speaker B:

And then it didn't even talk about like housing or supportive services.

Speaker B:

So I was actually the first what they call supportive transition stu unit that started with this population.

Speaker B:

So I was the original.

Speaker B:

f the original unit really in:

Speaker B:

11.

Speaker A:

Wow.

Speaker A:

I didn't know that.

Speaker B:

And this is the newest population.

Speaker B:

Cause we didn't have services for 18 to 21.

Speaker B:

It was done.

Speaker A:

So what did the youth do once after 18?

Speaker B:

I mean prayed that they could stay with family or I think housing.

Speaker B:

Major housing for that population at that time was hopefully you went to college and you stayed in the dorms.

Speaker B:

So you're just like praying.

Speaker B:

Cause what would happen is I dealt with relative placements where the kids stayed.

Speaker B:

Basically stayed in long term placement.

Speaker B:

They were really young with grandparents, aunts and uncles.

Speaker B:

So a lot of times we'd be trying to broker with the relative, foster parent, relative caregivers, hoping that they'll take in or they will keep their nephew, grandkid passed their 18th, 19th birthday hoping.

Speaker B:

And you know, it was pretty much, I would say half and half.

Speaker B:

A lot of them were like, you know, you got to get out of here.

Speaker B:

Some, you know, were able to stay, but then others were resourceful, got on section 8, got on some subsidized housing and things like that.

Speaker A:

Okay, I'll take that.

Speaker A:

I mean.

Speaker A:

Cause like you said, the, the cost of living in San Francisco is just, it's just outrageous.

Speaker A:

I don't think nobody damn near a poor.

Speaker A:

That's why I think that's what statistically the highest rate of homelessness in San Francisco.

Speaker A:

I think we deal with that too.

Speaker A:

I think what touches me or just saddens me the Most once they're 21, because like, you know, our program is 18 to 21.

Speaker A:

How does that make you feel?

Speaker A:

Like I wish we had more resources.

Speaker A:

Like what?

Speaker A:

What do you feel about that?

Speaker B:

Yeah, it is really stressful because they tell us three months prior to their 21st birthday, we're supposed to submit certain applications for different kind of like there's programs.

Speaker A:

Thp programs.

Speaker B:

Yeah, there's like coordinated entry, different programs that are supposed to kind of be timed in three month intervals.

Speaker B:

So when you place the referral in, in a three month span, you know, up until their 21st birthday, there's supposed to either be like a housing voucher or like a Section 8 voucher or coordinated entry voucher or there's some 21 programs that have placements and just hoping that there's not a waiting list.

Speaker A:

I was just gonna mention that I think now you, you know, me and you've been working together quite some time, couple years now.

Speaker A:

And the waiting lists are long as my dang near ten foot foot, literally like it's there.

Speaker A:

I even have a wait list for my program.

Speaker A:

You know what I mean?

Speaker A:

And then of course the state gives us a capacity, a cap on how many we can have.

Speaker A:

So you know, it's really sad to me because I have a couple youth that are aging out.

Speaker A:

I think we just dealt with a couple that are aging out at 21.

Speaker A:

And, and the wait list, even if you do do your part as a social worker and make sure you, you know, sign them up for the nav housing navigation three months early, it's still a wait list.

Speaker A:

Still, still a wait list.

Speaker A:

We got one homeless now sleeping in that car.

Speaker A:

We got a couple that just aged out at 21.

Speaker A:

And it's nothing that I can do.

Speaker A:

It's just nothing that we can do.

Speaker A:

You know, and then in order to get housing or funding, you got to apply for the RFPs and just resources.

Speaker A:

And it just never.

Speaker A:

It's never ending.

Speaker A:

Like, it's just the lack of help is just.

Speaker A:

Is really sad.

Speaker A:

And at this point, you know, I think us coming together, that's why I wanted to have a social worker to come and tell to people like the severity of the lack of housing.

Speaker A:

And I noticed too, like last year, I think we talked about it, it's a rapid change.

Speaker A:

Meaning it's so many kids in foster care.

Speaker B:

Yes.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

So once they 18, it's like, boom.

Speaker A:

We get calls.

Speaker A:

Like, oh my God, this month we got 10 calls.

Speaker A:

The next three months we may only get one call a month.

Speaker A:

Why is that?

Speaker B:

E. Ooh, that's a good question.

Speaker A:

That's a good question.

Speaker B:

I just, you know, historically, coming into care when kids were very, very small.

Speaker B:

Historically, like during the crack epidemic.

Speaker B:

Yeah, in the 80s for sure.

Speaker B:

And in the early 90s, you know, there was just.

Speaker B:

People were just coming in, foster care.

Speaker B:

Boom.

Speaker B:

But towards the:

Speaker B:

It wasn't as many referrals as it was back then.

Speaker B:

Cause it was just, I mean, for anything, I mean, kids was coming into care.

Speaker B:

But now I think it's a situation where.

Speaker B:

There are factors that we didn't have back in those days that we have now.

Speaker B:

Especially like the housing.

Speaker B:

Cause the housing.

Speaker B:

And I think we kind of go back to like housing.

Speaker B:

Housing back then was a little different.

Speaker A:

It's cheaper.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I mean, you know, before the housing boomed and you had the housing bust.

Speaker B:

But then it boomed again.

Speaker B:

But it's just now you're seeing an influx of kids coming in and I'm not on the front end.

Speaker B:

I've never been on like the emergency response.

Speaker B:

So when they first come in, which I'm glad.

Speaker B:

Cause I mean, basically I could be living right next door to the referral itself, so.

Speaker B:

Living.

Speaker B:

Cause San Francisco, I mean, the circumference is like, I think a 9 mile radius or something.

Speaker B:

I mean, it's real.

Speaker B:

Typically really small, you know, compared to.

Speaker B:

But we have the highest rates, I know, like with disproportionality.

Speaker B:

We have like.

Speaker B:

Although the African American population less than like 2%.

Speaker B:

We have the highest rates of kids in foster care, which has been.

Speaker B:

It has been that way for like decades.

Speaker A:

I think I got probably 17 or 18 of you guys kids yeah, you guys are my biggest county that calls me.

Speaker A:

You in Sacramento State.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I mean, Sacramento county, you guys, literally.

Speaker A:

And like you mentioned before, you guys have, you know, I work with all the counties.

Speaker A:

La.

Speaker A:

I mean Tuma counties I ain't never freaking heard of, like.

Speaker A:

But San Francisco has the most resources.

Speaker A:

They give stipends for the kids to get their hair done.

Speaker A:

Yeah, you told me about that one.

Speaker B:

Yeah, definitely.

Speaker A:

I just, I've never seen any county do as much as San Francisco.

Speaker A:

And I think that's why I, I work best with you guys.

Speaker A:

On top of the social workers like, you guys, you guys overextend yourself sometimes.

Speaker A:

You know, I think that you guys need more resources to be honest with you.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

I think that, you know, you guys.

Speaker A:

How many kids do you guys get per case?

Speaker B:

I'mma tell you, we tried the.

Speaker B:

I think the scheme of the department was trying to keep caseloads between like 10 and 12.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker B:

We're at 20.

Speaker A:

That's what I thought.

Speaker A:

By law it's 25.

Speaker A:

Yeah, that's high.

Speaker B:

Back in the day, like when I first came before, they did all of the.

Speaker B:

A lot of the stringent requirements.

Speaker B:

I used to have 60 in long term placement, but we, we didn't have to see a kid every month though.

Speaker B:

We used to have some if they were in a stable placement six months and over.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker B:

You could do a six month exemption to where you wouldn't have to see a kid.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker B:

That's not but once every six months.

Speaker B:

But then the big thing about that, because of the workload, the things that every young person deserves to have, education, you know, medical, dental, you know, day to day stuff, you know, you would definitely see the kid all the time.

Speaker B:

And six months would go by fast.

Speaker B:

Because we report to the court every six months.

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker B:

So two court reports a year, but it's really tedious.

Speaker B:

Yes.

Speaker B:

Those were the days where.

Speaker B:

And even before I came as I came aboard, it used to be 80.

Speaker A:

No way.

Speaker B:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker B:

People don't really realize that, like foster care, of course, that's a community.

Speaker B:

And the foster care community, it's a separate entity.

Speaker A:

People don't know about it.

Speaker A:

That's why I'm doing what I do.

Speaker A:

Eat.

Speaker A:

They need to know because this shit's real.

Speaker A:

Yeah, it's real.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

And you the first to say it's real.

Speaker A:

Listen, y', all, we got.

Speaker A:

We can sit here till tomorrow.

Speaker B:

It's a commute.

Speaker B:

I mean, just the new.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

People don't.

Speaker B:

And they don't get it.

Speaker B:

It's A.

Speaker B:

It's a community.

Speaker B:

And that's what I used to hear, too.

Speaker B:

People would talk about like, Mr. Neal, Mr. Neal, you know, if you.

Speaker B:

If you're in San Francisco, man, make sure Mr. Neil is your social.

Speaker B:

But it was.

Speaker B:

I'm finding out it was a community of young people that, you know, they have their own support systems within their community.

Speaker B:

And they talk.

Speaker B:

They.

Speaker A:

What they do do is talk.

Speaker A:

They all know each other in my program.

Speaker A:

Oh, Dr. Stans.

Speaker A:

Well, you know, and they all know y'.

Speaker A:

All.

Speaker A:

They all know the social work, especially in San Francisco.

Speaker A:

I'm sure you didn't.

Speaker A:

Got requested.

Speaker A:

I didn't have kids.

Speaker A:

Could you help me get Mr. Neal?

Speaker B:

I said, well, I can try.

Speaker B:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

I ain't got that kind of pull, kid.

Speaker A:

But I.

Speaker A:

Well, what about Mr. Neal?

Speaker A:

And sometimes I be like, y' all should request Mr. Mr. D. Because you the best.

Speaker A:

You one of them top players.

Speaker A:

There's a few of y', all, but you.

Speaker A:

I say you're the best.

Speaker A:

And this is from my perception and perspective of working with you.

Speaker A:

You go above and beyond when you really don't have to.

Speaker A:

I think you overextend yourself sometimes.

Speaker A:

Where I be like, Mr. Neil, you ain't got to do.

Speaker A:

She gotta do that.

Speaker A:

Dr. O.J.

Speaker A:

i'm like, oh, God.

Speaker A:

You know, you just.

Speaker A:

And honestly, I think that's why you're blessed.

Speaker A:

You're in the position.

Speaker A:

You've made it 25 years.

Speaker A:

I'm sure you done seen a lot of social workers come and go, see.

Speaker B:

Them come and go, come and go.

Speaker B:

I've seen them come and go, come and go.

Speaker A:

And your name don't ring ever in a bad way, which is a blessing.

Speaker A:

Talk to me about them attorneys.

Speaker A:

You know, that situation is a whole different because each kid has an attorney or some type of representation when it comes to the law.

Speaker A:

What has that experience been like?

Speaker B:

I mean, I've been fortunate enough to have attorneys on the panel in San Francisco that some go above and beyond.

Speaker B:

Some of them act like social workers.

Speaker B:

They act like parents.

Speaker B:

I agree.

Speaker B:

I've had really good successes with attorneys, I think, because everybody, when you think about attorney, like I have a lawyer, like, it comes with like.

Speaker B:

Like a different spin.

Speaker B:

It does, you know, and so to have, like, you know, an attorney to advocate for you and to.

Speaker B:

But a lot of attorneys really don't participate until court time.

Speaker B:

But then you have those attorneys, which I.

Speaker B:

Which I over.

Speaker A:

Participate.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I mean, they're in the meetings.

Speaker B:

They're almost, you know, kind of calling the shots in some respects.

Speaker B:

But I think, like for me, I know for me individually, some.

Speaker B:

Sometime I forget.

Speaker B:

I do a lot of law work.

Speaker A:

Absolutely.

Speaker B:

That first of all, I mean, that's not really my lane.

Speaker B:

But sometime I forget that a kid even has an attorney.

Speaker B:

And sometimes that poses kind of a disadvantage for a kid too, because that attorney works for them, you know, like advocates for them and know that law.

Speaker B:

So when kids may not be getting what it is that they're supposed to get, sometimes it's oversight.

Speaker B:

Sometimes, you know, that attorney provides like that legal like support where support and that clarity.

Speaker B:

And you know, it helps for that kid to know that they do have like representation.

Speaker A:

Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker A:

Because every program is not like mine.

Speaker A:

Do you agree?

Speaker B:

Oh, I totally agree.

Speaker A:

Well, am I the best ego?

Speaker B:

Yeah, I mean, definitely.

Speaker B:

That's what, you know, when.

Speaker B:

I mean, There was a Dr. Adra where I think I might have placed, which we didn't know that.

Speaker B:

I mean, when we first met.

Speaker B:

Cause I think the first placement had already been placed.

Speaker B:

It was coming, but I think I placed like four in a row.

Speaker B:

Like four in like a month.

Speaker B:

And even my people, even the people in San Francisco county was like, hey, what's going on?

Speaker B:

I said, no.

Speaker B:

I had found a great provider, Dr. Audra Stance, you know, and this program, every time I said, I need a placement, you come with the moving truck, you come furniture, you know, you come with, laid it out, made it easy.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

And it was just like.

Speaker B:

And at that, I don't know, it's just at that particular time, like within that month, two month span, I just had kids that were reaching 18.

Speaker A:

That's what I said.

Speaker B:

You were right there for them and it really made a difference.

Speaker B:

So my people in San Francisco county were like, well, who is the.

Speaker B:

You keep placing everybody in this program.

Speaker B:

I said, well, it's a really good program.

Speaker B:

I mean, that's why y' all better get like me.

Speaker B:

Yeah, you know, you better come.

Speaker B:

You better come.

Speaker B:

You better come with it, you know, so.

Speaker B:

Yeah, yeah, it was amazing.

Speaker B:

And then San Francisco again, you know, just was like, oh, okay, yeah, they seen it.

Speaker A:

They seen the movie and it was definitely you.

Speaker A:

You know, if you've been there through my hard time too, where I almost lost everything totally because the damn county was holding back thousands of dollars and I didn't get paid.

Speaker A:

You know what I mean?

Speaker A:

But, you know, we got past that.

Speaker A:

I made it through that.

Speaker A:

Thank.

Speaker A:

By that literally the grace of God, I literally almost lost everything because I invested my own money.

Speaker A:

I remember that all of my money, I went bankrupt, literally, to where I had an eviction notice at my door, trying to make sure these kids had a house.

Speaker A:

And that's just facts.

Speaker A:

I remember that I literally was on my knees praying like, lord, what am I gonna do?

Speaker A:

And just next thing you know, that's when you came and started placing them.

Speaker B:

Well, the paperwork.

Speaker B:

Dr. Audrey, really, in that time, I said.

Speaker B:

And I had to even up until the last kid I just placed with you.

Speaker B:

The paperwork has to be.

Speaker B:

The county is willing to disperse the money, but with the eligibility workers, which actually produces the payments to go out to the thps, that paperwork has to.

Speaker A:

Be very ted immediately.

Speaker B:

It has to be.

Speaker B:

It's tedious and it has to be.

Speaker B:

So I learned through.

Speaker B:

And the other thing is I can't sit on paperwork.

Speaker B:

Because if I sit on paperwork, you not getting your money.

Speaker A:

And then Dr. Stan's gonna get mad.

Speaker B:

It's gonna get.

Speaker B:

You gonna get.

Speaker A:

That's just what it is.

Speaker A:

The state said I can do that.

Speaker B:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

They said that, like, if you don't get paid, you unfortunately, you gotta put the kid out.

Speaker A:

Even though I've never done that.

Speaker A:

You know me, I'll just wait two, three months, But I'm gonna get on some helmets for sure.

Speaker A:

Something in there, like, it's.

Speaker B:

But that paperwork, like for our county, you get that paperwork done, you gonna get your money.

Speaker B:

You getting it immediately.

Speaker B:

That's just how we.

Speaker B:

But I had to learn.

Speaker B:

It didn't matter if it was.

Speaker B:

A lot of times I'm working on Saturdays, Sundays, I'm working on holidays every day.

Speaker B:

Getting every single day.

Speaker B:

If I'm out of town, I'm working, I'm just.

Speaker B:

But I have to get that paperwork done.

Speaker A:

Yeah, we appreciate that because a lot of social workers do not do that.

Speaker A:

To be honest with you, I got quite a few counties that owe me now.

Speaker A:

But I'll say, I think me building a relationship, starting it with you, you put me on a map with San Francisco.

Speaker A:

Me doing my part is really trying to be the best provider and be different.

Speaker A:

Even me creating this platform for the foster, amazing.

Speaker A:

You get what I'm saying?

Speaker A:

It's a sense of healing.

Speaker A:

And people don't know that don't deal with our population.

Speaker A:

I'm talking about my people.

Speaker A:

They don't know.

Speaker A:

They don't know how to relate or, you know, they can't relate.

Speaker A:

They don't have to live.

Speaker A:

These spirit is right.

Speaker B:

Yes.

Speaker A:

So I think us coming together, God one brought us together, which is amazing.

Speaker A:

I'm Just beyond grateful for you.

Speaker A:

Y' all know this man was going to marry me because he's a pastor to one of the top players in San Francisco.

Speaker A:

I know I got to tell the people.

Speaker A:

And he was going to marry me and talk home.

Speaker A:

Say, e, I didn't cancel everything.

Speaker A:

Ain't no damn wedding.

Speaker A:

He said, what, doctor?

Speaker A:

I said, absolutely.

Speaker A:

I'll see you next time.

Speaker A:

He going to marry me 20, 27.

Speaker A:

When the husband come.

Speaker A:

Okay, no, but let's talk about your personal.

Speaker A:

Married to a beautiful woman.

Speaker A:

Shout out to Mrs. Neal.

Speaker A:

Sad she couldn't come.

Speaker A:

Wasn't feeling good.

Speaker A:

But she's a beautiful lady.

Speaker A:

You got some kids.

Speaker A:

His kids getting drafted for the NFL.

Speaker A:

Let's talk.

Speaker A:

So Mr. Neal, y' all better appreciate him.

Speaker A:

Cause he's gonna retire soon and leave y'.

Speaker B:

All.

Speaker A:

Cause he deserves a break.

Speaker A:

Tell him, Mr. Neal.

Speaker B:

Well, no, I have.

Speaker B:

I have three.

Speaker B:

I have three adult kids.

Speaker B:

My daughter, of course, is 28.

Speaker B:

I'll be 29 next month.

Speaker B:

And then I have a younger son.

Speaker B:

He'll be 23 in next month as well.

Speaker B:

And then I have a 24 year old BE25 son that'll be 25 in March.

Speaker B:

And so my oldest kid, EJ and I know probably, I'm sure of San Francisco young people around that age.

Speaker B:

I'm sure they know ej he goes to USC and he plays on a basketball team.

Speaker B:

And they're ranked like.

Speaker B:

They're ranked like top 25.

Speaker B:

At least they were.

Speaker B:

They lost to Michigan last week.

Speaker B:

But he's grinding.

Speaker B:

mento State last year, May of:

Speaker A:

I know that from.

Speaker A:

Amazing.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

And then my youngest son, he's getting ready for the NFL draft.

Speaker B:

Yeah, he played.

Speaker B:

He come out of Mission High School.

Speaker B:

He lived on, if people know, Hunters Point, Osceola Lane, period.

Speaker B:

So he at Hunters Point.

Speaker B:

Kid graduated from Mission High School.

Speaker B:

Kid went to Fresno State for four years.

Speaker B:

Graduated degree in accounting.

Speaker B:

Took advantage of the portal.

Speaker B:

It's this college way to have now where you can transfer.

Speaker B:

You can actually transfer year to year now.

Speaker B:

Every year you can.

Speaker B:

So the transfer portal and all this nil money, basically you're a professional now in college.

Speaker B:

And so he went to University of Arkansas.

Speaker B:

So he played football this past season.

Speaker B:

He just really did well.

Speaker B:

He plays defensive back, plays corner.

Speaker B:

So he's been invited to the Senior bowl this end of this month.

Speaker B:

He got invited to the East West Shrine Bowl.

Speaker B:

Those are the two top all star bowls for these collegiate guys that are getting ready for the NFL draft.

Speaker B:

So then he got invited to the NFL combine next month.

Speaker A:

So I need tickets.

Speaker B:

Oh, yeah, well, you know, I need.

Speaker A:

To be in a NFL husband.

Speaker A:

Mr. Neal's gonna be responsible for giving me an NFL husband.

Speaker A:

Don't be hating on me.

Speaker B:

Yeah, it's all.

Speaker B:

I mean, you know, like I told you, draft party right there with bringing all the equipment.

Speaker B:

And we going to make it.

Speaker B:

Make it happen.

Speaker B:

It's gonna be nice.

Speaker B:

Gonna be April last.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker A:

Make sure I get all my chanels, all my bags.

Speaker A:

It needs to be so stepping.

Speaker A:

I'm kind.

Speaker A:

Do I get to bring a cute girl too?

Speaker B:

Yeah, you can do it, period.

Speaker A:

So I'll be choosing one of you girls.

Speaker A:

I'm so happy for you, though.

Speaker A:

I feel like you deserve that.

Speaker A:

Break this.

Speaker A:

Let me just be clear.

Speaker A:

He's guaranteed getting in the NFL.

Speaker A:

That is life changing.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Period.

Speaker A:

Mr. Neal, you didn't put in 25 years in San Francisco County.

Speaker A:

You're overdue.

Speaker A:

I feel like God is shining the light on you now because you put in your work.

Speaker A:

So now it's time for you to sit back, go take them trips with that wife and live your life like it's time for you to live and not have to worry about finances, not have to worry about nothing.

Speaker A:

Your health, nothing.

Speaker A:

You just gonna focus on your family.

Speaker A:

And I think it's time for you to be gifted because you've given.

Speaker A:

You are the epitome of giving back to the community.

Speaker A:

That's facts.

Speaker A:

Like, I love you with all my heart.

Speaker A:

I wish I can clone your ass and be make every social worker like you because I think it'd be a better place.

Speaker A:

You put a dent in the world.

Speaker A:

You did.

Speaker A:

And I think that you deserve a gift.

Speaker A:

I think that you need recognition.

Speaker A:

And so I wanna wrap this up by you reaching up under your seat.

Speaker B:

Let's check it.

Speaker A:

Now, I know you a pastor too, but shout out to my girl.

Speaker A:

Keyshe black owned cigar lounge.

Speaker A:

I wanna give this to you.

Speaker A:

That don't mean this man gonna smoke it.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker A:

Pastors are humans.

Speaker B:

I know.

Speaker B:

I have some people.

Speaker B:

Ooh, wow.

Speaker A:

Look, you see the Versace.

Speaker A:

Mr. Neal gets a Versace too.

Speaker A:

And shout out to my girl again.

Speaker A:

Keysha.

Speaker A:

This is the Quick Stick.

Speaker A:

It's a black owned woman cigar lounge.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker A:

So I want to give you this too.

Speaker A:

She signed up with DJ Quick.

Speaker A:

Yeah, so that's why it's called the Quick Stick.

Speaker A:

So I want to shout that out, give you.

Speaker A:

You know, you guys are exclusive, so you get that.

Speaker A:

But I wanted to know, did you have any last words that you Wanted to tell our foster youth because you gonna be leaving soon.

Speaker A:

What would you tell them so they can be in a better position once you're gone?

Speaker B:

Trust the process.

Speaker B:

I mean, there are a lot of resources that you can take advantage of.

Speaker B:

I know for a fact that most foster youth, when they encounter a social worker or someone from social services, you know, on the dot, do they care or not?

Speaker B:

So one of my things has always been make sure that they know I care.

Speaker B:

And so I want to just encourage all of you to just keep trusting the process and just keep grinding.

Speaker B:

Keep grinding.

Speaker B:

You have what it takes to make a difference in the world.

Speaker B:

First, it needs to start with you.

Speaker B:

You can't help anybody else if you don't first help yourself.

Speaker A:

Well, I thank you for that, Mr. E. You know what?

Speaker A:

And that's funny you said that, because I don't know if you've been looking, but look it up when you get a chance.

Speaker A:

Tiffany Haddish, you know her, the celebrity, right?

Speaker A:

She was a foster youth, and I think she was doing a comedian little show that she was doing a comedy show, and her social worker was in the audience.

Speaker A:

So doing a live show, she noticed that woman and start crying her eyes out.

Speaker B:

Wow.

Speaker A:

She started crying her eyes out.

Speaker A:

Shout out the lady.

Speaker A:

The lady ran up there and gave her a hug.

Speaker A:

She remembered her social worker.

Speaker A:

So I know me and you both will have those testimonies soon to be.

Speaker A:

I think that it's just rewarding.

Speaker A:

People that are not in this industry don't know the reward of literally just supporting somebody.

Speaker A:

That shit's free.

Speaker A:

It don't cost to support and love these kids.

Speaker A:

So I thank you again, Mr. E. You deserve luxury and you got more to come from me.

Speaker A:

Give me a damn husband and we gonna end that note just like that.

Speaker A:

Y', all.

Speaker A:

Thank y' all so much for tuning in with Dr. Stance at turning your hustle into a legacy.

Speaker A:

Thank you.

Speaker B:

Congratulations.

Speaker A:

Love you so much.

Speaker A:

No, congratulations to you.

Speaker A:

Bye, y'.

Speaker A:

All.

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About the Podcast

Turning Hustle Into Legacy with Dr. Stance
Turning Hustle Into Legacy is a purpose-driven podcast hosted by Dr. Stance, entrepreneur, visionary, and leader in impact-focused business. The show dives into what it truly takes to build success that lasts—financially, personally, and generationally. Each episode features honest, in-depth conversations with entrepreneurs, creatives, and community leaders who are redefining success on their own terms. Guests unpack the real stories behind their journeys—from side hustles to scalable brands, from setbacks to breakthroughs—sharing the mindset, strategies, and discipline required to turn ambition into meaningful impact. With no fluff and no filters, Turning Hustle Into Legacy delivers raw insight, actionable lessons, and powerful perspectives on leadership, resilience, and growth. Whether you’re launching a business, scaling a brand, or stepping into your next level of purpose, this podcast provides the clarity and momentum needed to build something that outlives the grind. This is where hustle becomes legacy.

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Dr. Audra Stance

Education & Professional Background

Dr. Stance holds a Ph.D. in Psychology with a concentration in Trauma-Informed Care, providing a strong clinical and academic foundation for the work led across all programs and initiatives. This advanced training informs Dr. Stance’s approach to mental health advocacy, foster care reform, mentorship, and community-based services, ensuring practices are evidence-informed, ethically grounded, and responsive to the impacts of trauma.

Dr. Stance’s work is deeply informed by lived experience shaped by childhood trauma, providing a personal and empathetic understanding of the challenges faced by foster youth and system-impacted individuals. Having navigated early adversity, instability, and the long-term effects of trauma, Dr. Stance brings both professional expertise and personal insight to the development of programs that prioritize safety, trust, and empowerment. This lived experience strengthens Dr. Stance’s connection to foster youth and individuals in care, allowing for services that are not only clinically sound but also grounded in compassion, relatability, and authenticity. Rather than approaching trauma from theory alone, Dr. Stance integrates real-world understanding into mentorship, program design, and leadership—ensuring individuals feel seen, supported, and capable of growth beyond their circumstances.

Dr. Stance is a purpose-driven leader, author, and mental health advocate dedicated to transforming hustle into sustainable legacy. As the founder and CEO of the non-profit, BWIT Luxurious Fostering, Dr. Stance is redefining trauma-informed care for foster youth and adults through dignity, structure, and empowerment. Dr. Stance is the creator and host of the podcast Turning Hustle Into Legacy, where discipline, faith, mindset, and leadership intersect to build generational impact. An author of From a Hoe to C.E.O., Dr. Stance uses lived experience, mentorship, and mental health advocacy to help individuals move from survival to purpose.