Shaun: Evolution and Future of Hip Hop
Dr. Stance chats with the dynamic Shaun from HipHopLive in a lively discussion about the vibrant intersection of hip hop, technology, and the hustle behind turning passion into profit. Right off the bat, Shaun dives into the mission of HipHopLive, a platform dedicated to empowering hip hop creators globally by monetizing their content and promoting their artistry. We explore Shaun's rich history in the music industry, from managing legendary acts to navigating the challenges of street life and its impact on communities. The conversation takes us through the evolution of the Bay Area music scene and the importance of authenticity amidst changing times. We also tackle some heavier topics, like the glorification of street life and the systemic issues affecting black and brown communities. It's a jam-packed episode filled with insightful anecdotes, playful banter, and a shared vision for uplifting our communities while keeping it real.
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Speaker A:What's up?
Speaker A:What's up?
Speaker A:What's up, y'?
Speaker A:All?
Speaker A:It's Dr. Stanton.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker A:I'm back with another legend.
Speaker A:All right, thank y' all for tuning in with turning your hustle into a legacy.
Speaker A:I have the Mr. Sean from the Hip Hop Live TV talk to us.
Speaker B:Thank you, Doc.
Speaker B:Thank you, Doc.
Speaker B:I'm happy to be here.
Speaker B:I'm a fan of your show.
Speaker B:I've been watching all your amazing content and all your amazing guests.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You're kicking butt and taking names, period.
Speaker A:Y' all heard them.
Speaker A:I'm taking over the game, but I'm willing to share the platform as well with great people like you.
Speaker A:Tell me what Hip Hop Live TV is about.
Speaker A:Actually, we met at the Baron, the retired basketball.
Speaker B:That was actually Oakland Tech Week.
Speaker B:So we produced a panel in Oakland Tech Week, which was the cross section between sports and technology.
Speaker B:So Baron.
Speaker B:I did a fireside chat with Baron Davis, and then we had a panel of team owners and professional athletes with the CEO Monica, of Good Trouble Ventures, a VC firm.
Speaker B:So it was an incredible event.
Speaker B:It was one of the coolest Oakland Tech Week events for sure.
Speaker A:Who was that other lady?
Speaker A:I actually went and supported her and bought five books from her.
Speaker A:She was sitting on a panel.
Speaker A:Super doctor.
Speaker A:She was a doctor as well.
Speaker A:She was in the middle of the football putting Naglia.
Speaker A:I can't remember her name.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:She was a last minute add on.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Because Dr. Alexis Gray Lawson, the retired NBA player who's the athletic director at Tech, had a family emergency on the way to the event.
Speaker B:So I probably need some help with it.
Speaker B:Cause she was literally laughing add on.
Speaker B:But she actually got into a little argument with Baron Davis on there.
Speaker B:So it was funny.
Speaker A:I'll call it agree to disagree moment.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Agree to disagree.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Because I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker A:I respect her because she stood her ground and she just spoke on business.
Speaker A:When it came to women, in being in the industry with athletes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And how they're kind of overlooked.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:To be honest, the women, she stood her ground too.
Speaker A:She did.
Speaker A:She kind of.
Speaker A:She kind of roasted them just a little bit.
Speaker A:You didn't hear that from me, but tell me, so what's Hip Hop Live too?
Speaker A:You got a lot of followers.
Speaker A:You know, that's how I tap in.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So Hip Hop tv, we a video sharing platform for hip hop creators around the world.
Speaker B:So we suck in content.
Speaker B:And we're developing, we're about to launch our fast channel, and we distribute content to like 300 platforms.
Speaker B:Around the world.
Speaker B:So our thing is monetizing content on the highest level.
Speaker B:So we have a huge merchandising deal.
Speaker B:So if you like a.
Speaker B:Like a Baron Davis, we look for a deal with Starter, for example, and we create a whole line with Starter or Jason Kidd, for example.
Speaker B:It's like our basketball guys, he's a avid golfer, so we go to Kango and try to cut a Kango deal.
Speaker B:So we're trying to create situations where people can make money while they sleep.
Speaker B:While they sleep.
Speaker B:Through content.
Speaker B:Through content.
Speaker B:The key is to distribute to as many platforms as possible around the world, get as many eyeballs on it, and then figure out how to sell things through that content.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:That's our.
Speaker B:That's our business model.
Speaker B:That's what we do.
Speaker B:So our thing is make money.
Speaker B:Why everybody sleep?
Speaker A:Passive income.
Speaker A:That's my kind of thing.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker B:I like it.
Speaker A:You know, I recently just seen you, I think you were speaking.
Speaker A:I was looking.
Speaker A:You know, I had to do a little studying on y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And you said some extremely powerful things in regards to your life in being in industry.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:You kind of said it was a little tough.
Speaker A:I heard you say you got shot and, you know, you kind of been through it.
Speaker A:And it's crazy because the smile that you keep on your face every day, I just freaking couldn't tell.
Speaker A:So I wanna know, let's talk about the bae.
Speaker A:Has the BAE lost its authenticity or is it just evolving?
Speaker A:What you think?
Speaker B:Well, first of all, let me give some history.
Speaker B:Let's start with some history.
Speaker B:So I'm a part of the two Tough Enough family, so.
Speaker B:Meaning.
Speaker B:My mother was a CEO of two Tough Enough productions.
Speaker B:My uncle, who's like my older brother, is a producer songwriter.
Speaker B:So we created En Vogue.
Speaker B:We first signed Tony.
Speaker B:Tony.
Speaker B:Tony.
Speaker B:We created Club nouveau.
Speaker B:So we're 80 million records in the game.
Speaker B:I know we don't talk.
Speaker B:Talk too much about the whole family history.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:We own the largest recording studio in Oakland.
Speaker B:So we are, you know, the Empire family of Oakland legend.
Speaker B:And my mommy was the CEO, so my mother was a music industry executive my whole life.
Speaker B:So I started.
Speaker B:I started with a lot of insight.
Speaker B:So I'm not, like, you know, new to the game.
Speaker B:I'm not new to the game.
Speaker B:I was born into the game.
Speaker B:I was born into the game.
Speaker B:But because I loved hip hop so much, that's where all the craziness came.
Speaker B:But then it goes deeper that my best friend who was around me, a lot of people didn't know all the music industry stuff.
Speaker B:So instead of, I was a basketball player instead of playing AAU basketball, I was En Vogue's road manager on tour in high school.
Speaker B:Cause it was a family business, correct?
Speaker B:It was a family business.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So one of my good friends Shakir Stewart was.
Speaker B:He's the only one I really let know what was going on in terms of family visits.
Speaker B:Cuz, you know, we kept everything kind of secret.
Speaker B:Which my family's real lowkey.
Speaker B:So Shakira went on to be the head of Def Jam.
Speaker B:But his influence came from being around me as a kid with the music industry, around my uncle, around my uncle who's like, you know, super producer and songwriter and stuff.
Speaker B:So Shakira first started off at LA Baby LA and Baby Faces publishing company hit Cold Music.
Speaker B:He headed that and then he went to LaFace Records.
Speaker B:And then he was basically La Reid's right hand man.
Speaker B:So then when La Reid when, when Jay Z left Def Jam, Shakura became the head of Def Jam.
Speaker B:He worked with Jay Z for a while, then Jay Z left.
Speaker B:So I had worked with Shakira the whole time really.
Speaker A:So tables.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So in the music industry you need an unofficial guy along with the official people.
Speaker B:So I was kind of like Frank Nitty to Al Capone.
Speaker B:I had to do all the dirty work.
Speaker B:So you had to pass someone an envelope all the way down to dig a ditch.
Speaker B:I was the guy that did all, all the work for all these years.
Speaker B:Top secret.
Speaker B:No one knew what I was doing.
Speaker B:So I worked at an airline.
Speaker B:So I would fly free.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker B:So I would literally be in New York for a meeting and back Miami for a meeting and back.
Speaker B:No one knew.
Speaker B:No one knew the wiser.
Speaker B:And then I had a no picture rule back then.
Speaker B:So I didn't take any pictures.
Speaker B:I would step out of pictures, right?
Speaker B:So the reason why I take so many pictures now is because I passed up all these famous pictures for all this time.
Speaker B:So I said I'm gonna take as many pictures as I can until I get off this earth.
Speaker A:Now that's okay.
Speaker A:We got the best one ever.
Speaker A:I kept posting your ass.
Speaker A:You seen doing it.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:Well, tell me this.
Speaker B:Okay, So I know a lot about the Bay Area music scene because I was born into it.
Speaker B:And I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly.
Speaker B:That's what I was just because of
Speaker A:my family, that's what I was going to get into.
Speaker A:Because when you mentioned that, you know, you had it kind of tough growing up and Getting shot and stuff like that.
Speaker A:How did that come about?
Speaker A:Was that.
Speaker B:No, that was more.
Speaker B:That was more because I became at.
Speaker B:At 14, I was throwing parties for 2,000 kids.
Speaker B:So I was throwing all these parties.
Speaker B:And then as I got into college, I opened Club Wicked, which was like a hip hop club night.
Speaker B:So I did everyone's record release party.
Speaker B:Everyone's record release party.
Speaker B:This was Oakland, really.
Speaker B:It was all Oakland.
Speaker B:It was all Oakland.
Speaker A:This was definitely before my time.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is all Oakland.
Speaker B:All Oakland.
Speaker A:Cause I know Sweet Jimmy's invented member via.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Club Wicked.
Speaker A:Club Wicked.
Speaker B:Club Wicked was inside a gay bar called Bench and Bar.
Speaker B:And we took.
Speaker B:They gave us a Wednesday night to do our hip hop night.
Speaker B:Cause it was a slow night.
Speaker B:So this little, little.
Speaker B:It was nice club, but I would do so because I knew everyone.
Speaker B:I did everyone's record release party.
Speaker B:So everyone you could think of, I did their record release.
Speaker B:So every week was a different record release party.
Speaker B:So it was off the hook.
Speaker B:So within the parties, that's when the shooting and knives and all that kind of stuff try to rob you and all kind of stuff was going on.
Speaker B:But being young and down, that stuff was fun back then for sure.
Speaker A:And sometimes I think we get older, it's still kind of fun out, the shooting and stuff, but the kicking it, you know, just long as it's a safe environment.
Speaker A:But, you know, another question.
Speaker A:Is street life glorified to you or is it misunderstood?
Speaker A:Because I think these days, I think if you seen with me and Lord Rad, we were just talking about the glorifying of the pimps and the drug dealers and stuff.
Speaker A:What do you think about that comment that I kind of made, me and Lord Rad?
Speaker A:Cause we was just seeing how people praise, you know, drug dealers and pimps.
Speaker A:Like they.
Speaker A:They praise them, but it's hard for them to praise.
Speaker A:I feel like people like us that are community innovators.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:Well, a lot of people know the history of this stuff.
Speaker B:I think this stuff started with Oakland.
Speaker B:People don't realize Oakland played a play, but played a part of all this because of the Black Panther Party.
Speaker B:So with young people looking up to young people saying, ungod black power.
Speaker B:Off the pigs.
Speaker B:You know, Black power.
Speaker B:They were looking up to that.
Speaker B:So the FBI with cointelpro was based in Oakland, where all this stuff started from.
Speaker B:They realized that we gotta change the narrative, change this narrative.
Speaker B:That's when all those movies started getting funded.
Speaker B:That's when they was really.
Speaker B:They started killing the Black Panther.
Speaker B:But let Alone, taking them out, started killing them, putting them in jail and then putting Superfly, Superfly and all them.
Speaker B:And you know, and all the judges as an image of success.
Speaker B:Not the black people with their fists up in the air.
Speaker B:And this rippled upon.
Speaker B:So it was already.
Speaker B:It's already been proven the CIA was flooding the communities with all their cocaine.
Speaker B:So the guys we look up to were really bamboozled, you know, they had all this brilliance, you know.
Speaker B:Cause I know most of them, all the huge drug dealers and stuff, they're very smart.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:So they were bamboozled to sell cocaine for the government.
Speaker B:You know, they were just all bamboozled.
Speaker B:You know, my cousins down in la, they saw the rail cars with the Uzis and it's unlocked with a bunch of Uzis sitting in there for them to go steal.
Speaker B:They was used to stealing lobsters and shrimp.
Speaker B:They over the car for real as a whole car full of Uzis, period.
Speaker A:Well, they said it is designed and set up.
Speaker B:It was totally.
Speaker B:It was totally designed.
Speaker B:Many of our brightest minds took the bike and for fast money, if you know other ethnic groups, we never kept none of the money.
Speaker B:Where's our big drug dealers?
Speaker B:100, 200, 400, $500 million at.
Speaker B:Some Latinos still got $500 million.
Speaker B:Some Asians still got $500 million.
Speaker A:Why is that?
Speaker B:And the white boys still got.
Speaker A:Why is that?
Speaker A:Why we don't.
Speaker A:What do you think?
Speaker B:It was all set up as a bamboozle in the beginning, you know, it's all set up as a plan for us to destroy the black community.
Speaker B:So those guys work for the government.
Speaker B:As far as I can say, they work for the government.
Speaker B:So I love my homies because I know all the big guy.
Speaker B:But they need to be hung by a tree right now.
Speaker B:They need to be stoned to death by the community because they bit.
Speaker B:They, you know, they got conned into destroying the community, you know, by our own government.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, so.
Speaker B:So if they're not giving back a thousand percent right now, they all owe the community everything they can.
Speaker B:You know, I think I said that
Speaker A:in regards to my mom being a crackhead in the 80s.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They owe every.
Speaker B:They owe everybody because they were bamboozled.
Speaker A:They was.
Speaker A:You know, and their bamboozledness affected our community.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:And it's sad, but I mean, it really is factual.
Speaker A:But I do know that.
Speaker A:I mean, like they were saying on the gram, everybody do got a choice.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But it's not really.
Speaker B:Look at.
Speaker B:Let's fast forward to today.
Speaker B:I mean, now, today with these young people and.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And what they're doing different.
Speaker B:I mean, they're being bamboozled too, though.
Speaker B:They've been bamboozled too.
Speaker B:They're killing each other.
Speaker B:They're killing each other.
Speaker B:They rap about killing each other then.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So the police can solve the crime by this.
Speaker B:Listening to the song, you know, they're doing what the government want them to do.
Speaker A:Well, I think it's from Regentrification.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker A:They want to raise everything, you know, homeless rage, no money for us to get hard for the black people to get a job, you know, but at the same time, I gotta.
Speaker A:I have to stand on this too.
Speaker A:We all come from a little trauma, but we all got choices too.
Speaker A:Just like they said, my mom was a doping because she made that choice.
Speaker A:You can't really blame the drug dealer, which is kind of true.
Speaker A:So to me, we all got choices.
Speaker B:But you can.
Speaker B:But you can.
Speaker B:The drugs wasn't there, you know, I mean, who putting it?
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:It's a sales process.
Speaker A:It's both ways.
Speaker B:It's a sales process that happens.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:If drugs aren't there, people ain't gonna use drugs.
Speaker B:They don't exist.
Speaker B:They're not gonna use them.
Speaker A:That's kind of what I was saying.
Speaker A:I was saying that, but they was kind of beating me up and said, well, yo mama decided to do the drugs.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:When I thought about it from a different perspective, they kind of.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker A:That's just like from a hoe to CEO, my book, I just.
Speaker A:Right, I chose to do it.
Speaker A:I didn't want to, but that's the lifestyle.
Speaker A:I chose because I wanted.
Speaker A:I need to survive.
Speaker A:I didn't do it because I wanted to.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:So it's like I kind of don't fault the drug dealers.
Speaker A:What I do fault is, is the people that praise them for destroying the comp.
Speaker A:For destroying society.
Speaker B:We gotta look at who.
Speaker B:Let's fast forward to today.
Speaker B:So these young people, they making videos about killing each other and really killing each other.
Speaker B:And they rap about killing each other, right?
Speaker B:Look who owns all the platforms?
Speaker B:Who makes the money?
Speaker B:We don't own Instagram.
Speaker B:We don't own TikTok.
Speaker B:We don't own YouTube.
Speaker B:We don't own none of the platform.
Speaker B:We don't own Fizzler.
Speaker B:You know, Matt's a little white guy from Marin, you know, we don't own none of that stuff.
Speaker B:It's all non us.
Speaker B:So we we making all these videos and then really killing each other and we don't make the money.
Speaker B:That's a plan.
Speaker B:Those in power can decide.
Speaker B:I own a platform.
Speaker B:I know the power you have.
Speaker B:I could decide to let a video about killing people go or I can slow it down or I could delete it because I control the back end.
Speaker B:That's same backends.
Speaker B:We all use the same backhands.
Speaker B:Leo Corn just said it in one of that on that Breakfast Club interview.
Speaker B:And he said well you know they said well you got control over stuff.
Speaker B:You have this artist and this artist.
Speaker B:Why are you pushing this artist?
Speaker B:Well, we all got to eat.
Speaker B:That's what he said.
Speaker B:He gave an honest answer.
Speaker B:At least he gave an honest answer.
Speaker B:We all got to eat.
Speaker B:Then he got hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker B:Hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker B:He's ahead of YouTube Music.
Speaker A:Can't get mad at him.
Speaker A:Cause it is the truth.
Speaker A:We all do have to eat.
Speaker B:He was saying he gotta eat.
Speaker B:But he's making.
Speaker B:He was saying if.
Speaker B:If these killing raps are making money for me I gotta eat.
Speaker B:But there's in the conference we designed is a direct correlation between the music being made and the homicides.
Speaker B:Only the police know the few formula cuz they use it to solve the crimes.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:But you could track a song to a shooting.
Speaker B:They trapped the the shooting in Stockton to music.
Speaker B:Correct to it was songs.
Speaker A:Yeah it that was.
Speaker B:They went in there to what a kindergarten birthday party and shot of 25 people over music.
Speaker B:Basically they were cuz.
Speaker B:Cuz now they really killing each other and making music about it.
Speaker B:So it's.
Speaker B:That's some.
Speaker B:It's real and not getting no real money out of it.
Speaker B:It's scary.
Speaker A:So are industry beefs real?
Speaker A:Obviously.
Speaker A:Are they mostly marketing strategies?
Speaker A:To me I think both they real but they're from marketing strategies.
Speaker B:They used to be marketing strategies.
Speaker A:Now it's just real.
Speaker B:Now it's real because now it's scary.
Speaker B:Killers are becoming rappers.
Speaker B:Rappers used to rap about the killers.
Speaker B:They used to rap about the drug dealers.
Speaker B:They wasn't big old drug dealers.
Speaker B:They were their cousin or friend was.
Speaker B:So they would write stories about that stuff.
Speaker B:Now these guys, you study them they already killers.
Speaker B:Then they rap to be popular.
Speaker B:You know they end up dead or in jail most of the time.
Speaker B:But they already killers.
Speaker B:So now it's real strange stuff going on.
Speaker A:Now I know it's a whole industry.
Speaker A:That's why I'm a little.
Speaker B:So those beefs are not only those Beefs real, but literally I killed your brother and I'm rapping about it now.
Speaker B:What you gonna do?
Speaker B:You gonna try to kill me?
Speaker B:I'll tell you how bad it got in Miami is a video I about Kodak, Kodak Black and his crew.
Speaker B:So they was in the same kind of beast and stuff, right?
Speaker B:In the killing stuff.
Speaker B:They start killing the parents.
Speaker B:What somebody mama got to do about your rap, they start killing them.
Speaker B:Like five parents got killed.
Speaker B:They start.
Speaker B:If I can't get you, I'm going shoot your mama, your grandmama, your daddy.
Speaker A:That's different generations.
Speaker B:That's some crazy stuff.
Speaker A:Me and dlo, I think was just talking about that on the last interview where he was saying the generations is different.
Speaker A:Back then we kill each other, but now they're killing kids.
Speaker A:They killing your mama, your daddy grandparents is kindergarten birthday.
Speaker B:What you doing?
Speaker B:Going to a little kid's birthday party, shooting it up.
Speaker A:Did they catch that dude?
Speaker B:I think it's multiple.
Speaker B:It's a bunch of.
Speaker B:Bunch of.
Speaker B:Bunch of.
Speaker B:Not all of them.
Speaker A:Never.
Speaker A:I never fell through with that, cuz.
Speaker B:Tragic.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:That was tragic.
Speaker B:That's hard to even watch.
Speaker A:So they did at least catch a.
Speaker B:I think they catch it.
Speaker B:Some of them.
Speaker B:Some of them still out there.
Speaker B:It's still an active invest investigation.
Speaker A:And that poor family, like, it's just so sad.
Speaker A:Like, I think that's probably going down in history, cuz like you say or we say.
Speaker A:DLO said they didn't do that back generations ago.
Speaker A:They just kill each other.
Speaker A:It's war on site.
Speaker A:I think somebody else was just saying that in regards to violence.
Speaker A:I think he was saying this.
Speaker A:This how you know Oakland definitely on the goddamn.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Because he was saying every other city do the Crips and the Bloods.
Speaker B:Did you see that dude where he
Speaker A:said that they do the Crips and the Bloods and stuff?
Speaker B:I was old enough.
Speaker B:Remember when the Christopher tried to come to Oakland.
Speaker B:I was old enough to.
Speaker B:I was old enough and I give the name.
Speaker B:I was old enough to see little D and them.
Speaker B:Oh, send them back.
Speaker B:And send them back to, you know, see it did not standing up.
Speaker A:Why didn't it work here?
Speaker A:Why did we be different and claim turfs and blocks only?
Speaker B:It was only because of.
Speaker B:Of.
Speaker B:Of.
Speaker B:Of like Lil D and them didn't.
Speaker B:Didn't like that gangster.
Speaker B:It's really the time of it of the of.
Speaker B:Of the Christian blood spreading out was the time of little D's R. And Lil D was about peace.
Speaker B:And he wasn't about all that gang stuff, cuz he thought it was bad.
Speaker B:Shout out to big time.
Speaker B:He thought it was bad for business and because he had, you know, kind of organized everything.
Speaker B:When they went to come in, it just didn't work.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:It just.
Speaker B:It just didn't work.
Speaker B:I was literally at Henry JJ.
Speaker B:Kaiser When NWA performed and they draw a bunch of gang members in there and they was trying to punk her.
Speaker B:I was standing right there to try to punk everybody and man, damn, Percy,
Speaker A:what happened to my.
Speaker A:You know, listen, we live and I don't give a damn.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We authentic around here.
Speaker A:That's the thing, Percy.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:They got to know we turning hustle into legacy now.
Speaker B:But yeah, that 69 mob sent them back home.
Speaker B:I was an eyewitness.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:Well, shout out to Lil D, cuz
Speaker B:I think it would be a whole.
Speaker A:Everybody will be dead with Crips and Bloods around here.
Speaker B:I mean, you see these other towns got.
Speaker B:Sacramento got it.
Speaker B:Stockton got it.
Speaker B:Everybody, you know, they tried to sprinkle in Richmond for a minute.
Speaker B:I think they got in that.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:Stuff.
Speaker B:Stuff.
Speaker B:Stuff is currently.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:Is we got to fix it because, you know, we can't have kill it.
Speaker B:Well, the, the conference we organize is really looking at the whole situation now.
Speaker B:Those platforms are going to have to start being held responsible for known killers making songs about killing people.
Speaker B:And all those millions of views that they get from it.
Speaker B:Those platforms are paid for it.
Speaker B:So we at least need to say platform, we recognize you getting paid off death and you're doing nothing about it.
Speaker B:But if I was to get on there and say Trump sucks or something like that, also my video going nowhere.
Speaker A:Yeah, they own you.
Speaker A:They own you.
Speaker B:Because everybody, if I was to say something, you know, that you don't like, you know, but you like our kids giving theirself away and talking about it.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:I think it's all politics.
Speaker A:Everything is politics.
Speaker B:It's deep.
Speaker B:It's a business model.
Speaker B:You know, not only do the platforms make money, you know, the prison system is constantly getting new workers, you know, you know, the, the prison industrial complex is new.
Speaker B:Slavery.
Speaker B:It was always.
Speaker B:I just say new.
Speaker B:It's always been slavery.
Speaker B:It's always been slavery.
Speaker B:So those guys, when they go to jail now you work.
Speaker B:You just don't.
Speaker B:You want to work.
Speaker B:You don't want to be bored of yourself for 23 hours.
Speaker B:You want to work.
Speaker B:Yeah, you want to work.
Speaker B:So it's that business model.
Speaker B:And this is a scary One, this is what people don't want to talk about.
Speaker A:Talk about it.
Speaker A:Controversy.
Speaker B:Organs.
Speaker B:This kid is getting killed.
Speaker B:They stealing these organs.
Speaker B:You got to audit the bodies of these young people to see.
Speaker B:When you go to the funeral.
Speaker B:Is all the organs there?
Speaker B:They're not.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:A few people got busted.
Speaker B:Philadelphia had one.
Speaker B:Got busted.
Speaker B:A couple things got busted.
Speaker B:If you were to audit the organs of those people getting killed, they're not there.
Speaker B:See if their heart's there.
Speaker A:And then I'm like, what?
Speaker B:See if they pancreas.
Speaker B:It's not there.
Speaker B:You know, it's a whole industry on our young people being killed.
Speaker A:Well, they told us about that in the movie Long time ago.
Speaker A:Get out.
Speaker A:I believe that.
Speaker A:I was really like, oh, my God.
Speaker B:And insurance.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:Guess what.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:It circles to money, right?
Speaker B:It's all about money.
Speaker A:Everything is about money getting paid off.
Speaker B:The death of young people that are.
Speaker B:That are black, black, black and brown.
Speaker B:That's all this really doing black and brown young people and all these business models built around it that our community is not benefiting from on one level.
Speaker B:In fact, it's dangerous, extreme.
Speaker B:They just wildly shoot lousy.
Speaker B:You could just go into the grocery store, man.
Speaker B:You know, it's bad.
Speaker A:And even with the looting, like, like, I mean, it makes sense.
Speaker A:Cause they ain't got no money.
Speaker A:But God damn it.
Speaker B:And even.
Speaker B:Even like the bipping and everything, this.
Speaker B:This culture of.
Speaker B:Of.
Speaker B:Of petty crimes, that's the difference from back in the day.
Speaker B:A drug dealer wanted to be a drug dealer, period.
Speaker B:So he was doing it for money.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:These days they just doing these little petty cry.
Speaker B:They doing it for the.
Speaker B:For nothing.
Speaker A:For nothing.
Speaker A:I see it all on Instagram.
Speaker A:They going there, taking suitcase.
Speaker A:That's just a suitcase full of clothes.
Speaker A:You busting people's windows.
Speaker A:And I'm, you know, I'm never in Oklahoma here and there.
Speaker A:Is the bipping better or better?
Speaker B:Lot, lot better now, really.
Speaker B:Lot, lot, lot, lot better now because they arrested the main BIP crews.
Speaker B:Normally it's only like two or three crews that do it all.
Speaker B:So they.
Speaker B:They arrested those main crews.
Speaker B:So we heading in the right, right direction now, um, you know, with that bipping and stuff.
Speaker B:But when you do the math, I see them run to these jewelry stores, run to the stuff you run in five, six deep.
Speaker B:What are you gonna get once you split it five or six ways?
Speaker B:You might as well.
Speaker B:You might as well do it by
Speaker A:yourself or do it by yourself.
Speaker B:You know what I'M saying, so that's why it makes no sense.
Speaker B:It makes no sense.
Speaker A:What I will say though, about Oakland, shout out to arson.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's definitely on the rise.
Speaker A:It's on the rise in a long time.
Speaker A:First time I've been is when I went to the event to see.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I was extremely shocked.
Speaker B:On the rise.
Speaker A:It's beautiful downtown Oakland.
Speaker A:It did not used to be like, it's absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker B:I've been on a big debate the last few days is that, you know, we were bamboozled to leave Oakland.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:If you own in Oakland, like my family has equity grosses went through the roof.
Speaker B:Properties paid 20,000 for is worth 1.3 million.
Speaker B:Oakland is good business.
Speaker B:That's why we begin bamboozled to move.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker B:Oakland is good business.
Speaker B:Federal jobs are there.
Speaker B:So downtown Oakland, that's an average of 6 figure jobs all the way across the city.
Speaker B:Absolutely, all the way across the city.
Speaker B:The airports there, the close to the water right across from San Francisco, it's prime real estate.
Speaker B:That's why we getting bamboozled out of it.
Speaker B:Because it's prime real estate.
Speaker B:The tech industry in San Francisco, all those jobs are six figures.
Speaker B:All those jobs are six, six figures.
Speaker B:That's why everyone else, once it's valuable real estate and we selling, selling grandma's house, selling mommy and daddy's house, that's damn near paid for.
Speaker B:I got all the equity in it so we can move to these other states.
Speaker A:But that ain't got no money.
Speaker B:They ain't got no money.
Speaker B:That ain't got six figure jobs side by side.
Speaker B:Ain't got water, ain't got mountains, ain't got airport, ain't got all this stuff.
Speaker B:And this is what people don't realize.
Speaker B:We are safe here because we like the children of the Black Panthers, they all in Texas and stuff.
Speaker B:The way Trump is going, oh, man, Texas don't care about black people.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Trump, Georgia don't care about black people.
Speaker B:Georgia don't care about black people.
Speaker B:You know, we, at least we have a chance to fight here.
Speaker A:We do.
Speaker B:Them other states, they don't.
Speaker B:Then white people raise up.
Speaker B:It's all bad.
Speaker A:It's all.
Speaker B:It's all bad.
Speaker A:It's all bad.
Speaker A:You right.
Speaker A:And Trump don't fuck with Cali because we got money and we smart out here.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we, and we smart and we revolutionaries.
Speaker B:But these other states ain't the same way.
Speaker B:You got Billy Joe Bob and them, a bunch of them.
Speaker B:It's over right outside the city.
Speaker A:Well, what I another thing I'll say too is it's a lot of like moving forward and not the past.
Speaker A:Now it's a lot of black owned businesses coming up.
Speaker A:Like I feel like us niggas finally figured out the game.
Speaker A:Figured it out.
Speaker A:So screw y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker A:Cause we gonna keep it pushing and
Speaker B:we gonna continue to go.
Speaker B:That's what we gotta do.
Speaker A:Stick together.
Speaker A:Like even with this platform I got, you see easy out there, we come and eat.
Speaker A:We got a lot of supportive innovator community leaders, you know, people doing stuff for the youth.
Speaker A:You know, shout out to Fab with the thug therapy.
Speaker A:We, we gotta stick together.
Speaker A:Cause if we don't, it's just gonna, it's gonna go back to the plantation.
Speaker A:We going right back.
Speaker A:Cause we already in it.
Speaker B:Honestly, we never left the plantation.
Speaker A:I'm trying to tell.
Speaker B:We never left the plantation.
Speaker A:We just killing each other instead of the other.
Speaker B:I mean, soon as they ended it, they started that prison scam, man, to get us to go into prison and never change.
Speaker B:So I mean, I mean we got work to do.
Speaker B:We gotta work.
Speaker B:It take people like you and I to really put the information out and start developing solutions.
Speaker B:Because you know, a lot of people are just being bamboozled.
Speaker B:They're just being bamboozled and, and taking advantage of.
Speaker B:And they don't know.
Speaker B:Just like the drug dealers of the past, they were taking advantage of.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, they didn't know they could do so much more or that the outcomes of their behavior would destroy their community.
Speaker B:I don't think they knew that.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker B:I don't think they knew that.
Speaker A:They just do fast money.
Speaker B:They realized that bag would, you know, not only not last, but, but they going to take it from them.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker B:All them drug dealers, money got taken.
Speaker B:All them black drug dealers, their money got taken.
Speaker A:And they dig time.
Speaker B:And they did all.
Speaker B:Not only time, they did super time,
Speaker A:like 20 years and plus and then came out.
Speaker A:Well, hopefully some of them save some money, but not as much as what they went in with.
Speaker B:The crazy thing, you know, a lot of them, cuz I know them, they're so smart.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker B:They started making money again in jail.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:When they got out the real estate invested all kind of stuff.
Speaker B:They could have did that instead of selling drugs.
Speaker B:They were so smart, they could have ran legitimate businesses without ever selling drugs.
Speaker B:Because they're doing it now.
Speaker A:Well, that's what, that's what I think me and Rad was talking about is what we see now that you see so many black leaders and black people building now that them people coming out and they see it like, even when me and you, we started our businesses, people look at us like, well, shit, you know how many people call me to ask me how do I open a transitional housing program?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:How could I do it?
Speaker A:Because it just takes one person to make the difference.
Speaker A:And same with you.
Speaker A:I. I heard you be going to be doing some documentaries with some folks.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, we're doing the history of Northern California hip hop.
Speaker A:I hear it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I need one for hoe to CEO.
Speaker A:We need to go get some hoes.
Speaker A:And I be the CEO.
Speaker A:And I be the old hoe and be the cdo.
Speaker B:Gotcha.
Speaker A:No, but I just want to thank you, Sean, for coming.
Speaker A:You're a powerful man.
Speaker A:I'm extremely proud of you.
Speaker A:Like I tell all my guests, anybody that I invite here is for a reason.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And you got a story to tell.
Speaker A:You told it.
Speaker A:And I just want to gift you.
Speaker A:You already know the drill.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Look under your seat.
Speaker B:Oh, for real?
Speaker A:No, for real.
Speaker B:Under your seat.
Speaker A:It's not a game.
Speaker A:Okay, Okay.
Speaker A:I play some games, but not all of them.
Speaker A:So y' all know that's what I'm famous for, the Versace.
Speaker A:You feel me?
Speaker B:That's just for you.
Speaker A:And then I gave you a copy of my book too.
Speaker B:Oh, thank you, thank you.
Speaker A:Of course, of course.
Speaker A:I want to give you a last shout out.
Speaker A:Tell the people what you got coming.
Speaker A:And you know, what you gonna do in the next five years.
Speaker A:Like, what's on your plans?
Speaker B:Well, I'm in business wise.
Speaker B:Hip Hop tv.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We're about to launch an incredible new platform design that's amazing.
Speaker B:We just signed a deal for our fast channel.
Speaker B:So we're going to be distributing content to over 300 platforms around the world and growing.
Speaker B:We have a big push to with a bunch of stations in Africa.
Speaker B:So we're going strong what we're doing with content distribution on the continent.
Speaker B:I have our RJ program, safeplace studios in which we're.
Speaker B:I'm bringing mentors in.
Speaker B:We got free studio time.
Speaker B:We do a free music retreat.
Speaker B:We do a free show every month.
Speaker B:And we're doing the conference about.
Speaker B:We gotta take our.
Speaker B:Our Oakland, our greater Bay area music back to when I was a kid.
Speaker B:En Vogue, Tony, Tony the Loonies, Digital Underground, Too Short, MC Hammer, Club Nuva, all in Oakland at the same time, all going platinum.
Speaker B:That's what I grew up to, you know, so we got to bring back the synergy that we had then to now to really take what we're doing to the next level.
Speaker A:Well, I would love to inter.
Speaker A:You know, like, work with you, with my foster youth.
Speaker A:You know, a lot of extremely talented.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Don't forget about me.
Speaker A:I definitely could send some talented foster youth your way because I need them.
Speaker A:Creators, like, they're every Thursday, 6 o'.
Speaker B:Clock.
Speaker B:We're right across the street from Fab Store.
Speaker B:We have the RJ facility.
Speaker B:We do free studio tie.
Speaker B:We mentor them.
Speaker B:We bring in all the music grace to speak to them about.
Speaker B:We talk about the technology.
Speaker B:We need them.
Speaker B:We need them because they need to understand.
Speaker B:I don't even think they understand the stuff they're doing and how it connects.
Speaker B:Yeah, they don't get it.
Speaker A:That's dope.
Speaker A:We definitely got to connect because I got a lot of talented kids.
Speaker A:Would love to send them your way.
Speaker A:And let's just connect.
Speaker A:Teach them they are futures pour into them.
Speaker A:And I just want to thank you for coming.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Keep up the great work.
Speaker B:You guys are doing so much amazing work here.
Speaker B:The content is so rich.
Speaker B:And I'm a fan.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:I'm a fan.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:But tapping in with Dr. Stanton, Sean, my guy from hip hop, live TV.
Speaker A:And we will holler.
Speaker A:We're turning your hustle into a legacy.
Speaker A:Take that Versace and go where that shit.
Speaker B:I'm out there.
Speaker B:And yeah, let's do some collab post.
Speaker B:Let's blow this thing up.
Speaker B:Let's do it.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:Collab post.
Speaker A:You already know he going live it.
Speaker A:Collab with me, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:I gotta have it.
Speaker A:We'll holla.
Speaker B:Peace.
