Benzino: Navigating Fame, Family, and Forgiveness
Dr. Stance sits down with Benzino for an authentic and vibrant conversation that dives deep into the hustle and the legacy of life as a prominent figure in hip hop. Benzino opens up about his journey, touching on everything from his experiences in the music industry to his struggles and triumphs as a father. The discussion showcases the challenges of growing up in a tough environment while also emphasizing the importance of understanding the weight of past decisions and the power of resilience. Benzino’s candidness sheds light on the realities of navigating fame, family, and personal growth, all while sharing a few laughs along the way. It’s a heartfelt episode that reminds us that life is about learning, evolving, and supporting one another, especially within our communities.
Transcript
Sam, What's up?
Speaker A:What's up?
Speaker A:You with your girl, Dr. Stanton, turning your hustle into a legacy.
Speaker A:This is an extreme.
Speaker A:The top tier, best episode for me.
Speaker A:I got my guy, B.
Speaker A:What's up?
Speaker B:What's up, Doc?
Speaker A:How you?
Speaker B:I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker B:God is good.
Speaker A:Listen, we had a long journey, but my nigga came through persistence.
Speaker A:I'm his adopted little sister now, so you can't take that from me.
Speaker B:Big bro.
Speaker A:That's big bro.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:We'll be doing some big things together, period.
Speaker A:I'm so glad he made it safe.
Speaker A:Shout out to the whole team to make sure we got him here.
Speaker A:The team.
Speaker B:Shout to the team and uni.
Speaker A:Shout out to Bo.
Speaker A:Better, but thank you.
Speaker A:You made it.
Speaker B:Yeah, I feel good, man.
Speaker B:And I'm here, man.
Speaker B:I love, you know, Frisco, Oakland, Livermore.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, this Livermore.
Speaker A:You heard them.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This is my stomping ground.
Speaker A:You know, I'm bringing out our culture to.
Speaker A:To this city, cuz.
Speaker A:It ain't a lot as you see, so.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But it's a.
Speaker B:It's a great vibe, man.
Speaker B:It really is.
Speaker B:Impressed.
Speaker A:This is where I started.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker A:This is where I started this, my nonprofit, cuz, you know, I got the transitional housing, so this is where I started all of my businesses.
Speaker A:And Livermore has supported me, the mayor, everybody, so I'm.
Speaker A:I'm very grateful.
Speaker B:Really nice city.
Speaker B:And I never knew about it, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, welcome, welcome.
Speaker A:What's up with you?
Speaker A:What's up.
Speaker A:Where you being, man?
Speaker B:You know, just, you know me.
Speaker B:I just, you know, it's.
Speaker B:It's funny because I'm my.
Speaker B:They keep taking down my Instagram pages.
Speaker B:So nowadays if you don't see somebody on social media, then it's like they fell off the face of the earth almost.
Speaker B:But, you know, I. I'm.
Speaker B:I'm a big proponent, a big outside guy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I still believe in outside.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, social media is social media, but I don't put all my eggs in social media.
Speaker B:I. I really believe that the magic is and can still be made outside.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:The real social has to be with people outside reality.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Face to face.
Speaker B:Manu.
Speaker B:E Manu.
Speaker B:And, you know, I think a lot of that we're losing.
Speaker B:I think the new generation is losing a lot of that.
Speaker B:I think the more you have to balance it, social media, there's a lot of good things about it, but if it's too much Just scrolling and looking at things all day, every day and there's nothing elevating you.
Speaker B:Then it just becomes Zombieland.
Speaker B:And I believe outside is where all my magic has ever been made.
Speaker B:Anyways, as far as me coming up with the different ventures, I've been, you know, accomplished.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I'm still around.
Speaker A:Listen, you was one of the first, the top, the Source, Source magazine, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:One of the biggest things ever in hip hop.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Shout out to Dave Mays, you know, my partner for over 20 something years with the Source.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:Loving hip hop.
Speaker A:Everybody know you from loving hip hop.
Speaker B:Loving hip hop.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:They just, they just, they just started when I was here.
Speaker B:I seen on social media that they just, they announced that it's.
Speaker B:It's over.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:They just announced it.
Speaker A:You know, wait, the whole season or.
Speaker B:Just Atlanta, everything done?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:They got a six episode kind of thing coming up, a special that's going to show, you know, all the past episodes of the.
Speaker B:But it's 15 years.
Speaker B:It's a wrap's over with.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So let me ask you, is Mona Scott over all that?
Speaker A:Is it a net?
Speaker A:What is over that?
Speaker A:Cause he's on vhs.
Speaker B:From my understanding, you know, Mona, of course still gets a check.
Speaker B:And I think from.
Speaker B:And I'll know, you know, me and Kirk, that's my guy, we still talk.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Shout out to Kirk.
Speaker B:Yeah, shout out to Kirk Frost.
Speaker B:He still kind of keeps me in the loop.
Speaker B:And from my understanding, Mona and Stephan were still getting a check every time a season came.
Speaker B:And I think the check they was getting, I think the new people that owned Paramount and Viacom, which has to do with Trump and Trump's guys that bought it, decided that they didn't want to pay that big check to Mona and Stephan before the seasons even comes out.
Speaker B:So they couldn't come to an agreement.
Speaker B:And they just, you know, I mean, look, love and hip hop.
Speaker B:15 Years for any show is a long time.
Speaker A:That's a very long time.
Speaker B:And you know, when you look at the episodes compared to what it was, I believe it, you know, it kind of ran its course.
Speaker A:I believe, you know, I want to say, I agree.
Speaker A:I would be glued to the TV back in y' all time when it was Stevie J. Rasheeda, or it was.
Speaker A:I couldn't wait, you understand, to see y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:And now it is different.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's not.
Speaker A:I stopped watching it.
Speaker B:It's not all.
Speaker B:It's not as authentic.
Speaker B:I think the thing is, a lot of times when greatness happens, it just happens.
Speaker B:I think when Mona put it together with Jim and Chrissy, I don't think she knew what was gonna happen with Atlanta.
Speaker B:And when Stevie brought.
Speaker B:When Mimi brought Stevie on, Stevie brought Jocelyn on, Stevie brought me on, and the original cast members, I think that's kind of when it really took it to another level, you know, for sure.
Speaker B:You know, New York was doing its thing, but Atlanta just had.
Speaker A:Y' all was different.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:You know, Stevie kind of.
Speaker B:Stevie should get his flowers for that more than anyone, because without Stevie, that triangle situation between Mimi and Joselyn doesn't work.
Speaker B:A lot of people were saying, you know, Jocelyn.
Speaker B:But Jocelyn's character wouldn't have worked without Stevie and Mimi.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, that type of character wouldn't have worked with any in any other situation.
Speaker B:And it's like a team, you know, Jordan wouldn't have been Jordan without Pippen.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, so, you know, when you look back then, it was all new to us.
Speaker B:So everything.
Speaker B:You know, people come up to me all the time and they say, you know, was that stuff real?
Speaker B:Is it real?
Speaker B:And I said, look, what we was going through was real.
Speaker B:I can't speak for anybody else.
Speaker B:I said, I never got casted for it.
Speaker B:I. I kind of just came on.
Speaker B:It was a.
Speaker B:You know, I was giving Stevie rides.
Speaker B:We were staying together, and I was giving him rides to.
Speaker B:Because, you know, his license wasn't right.
Speaker B:And I would give him a ride to set, and I'd wait for him to finish.
Speaker B:And none of us had experienced that.
Speaker B:You know, me and Sleaze had a.
Speaker B:A real relationship before that.
Speaker B:You know, we was two guys.
Speaker B:He was like the bat, you know, he was the.
Speaker B:The bad boy at Bad Boy at the time.
Speaker B:He was the baddest boy at Bad Boy.
Speaker B:And at the time at the Source, I was kind of my own bad boy.
Speaker B:And, you know, when we met, we just clicked, and we was out being bad together, and, you know, we just got close.
Speaker B:And then when, you know, the.
Speaker B:He told me he was casting for Love and Hip Hop, I was like.
Speaker B:I said the Jimmy Chrissy thing.
Speaker B:I was like, really?
Speaker B:What you gonna do on that?
Speaker B:And at the time, you know, he was with Mimi and he was with Jocelyn, but they didn't know about each other.
Speaker A:They didn't know each other.
Speaker B:So when Mimi brought him on, he was like, look, he's still trying to juggle both of them without meeting with Them knowing each other.
Speaker B:He said he's gonna bring Jocelyn on love and hip hop.
Speaker A:So that was real.
Speaker B:Mimi found out about Johnson on love and hip hop.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Don't let nobody tell you different.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:I always call it the triangle offense.
Speaker B:That's when the triangle offense was built.
Speaker B:And when Mona, seen the success and the ratings go crazy over that, that's when she kind of based everybody's storyline.
Speaker B:You know, the guy with two girls.
Speaker B:And it worked.
Speaker B:And you know, when I came on, it was just kind of.
Speaker B:I was in a Stevie.
Speaker B:You know, they would mic you up and sometimes they'd mic you up and then when, you know, you take a break from the scene, you still got the mic on.
Speaker B:So Sleeves would come sit in the car with me and we'd be blowing and stuffing.
Speaker B:And he's like, man, you know, we be talking about it even after the scenes at the house.
Speaker B:I'm like, man, you gotta choose one of them.
Speaker B:You know, I'm the guy like to tries to.
Speaker B:Yeah, you would speak logic, lover boy.
Speaker B:And well, just logic, man.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Because Stevie really is a wild boy.
Speaker B:He just, you know, he's a great musician.
Speaker B:He's one of the best musicians I've ever been around.
Speaker B:He plays multiple interested, just a super talented music guy.
Speaker B:But when it comes to like other things, he's man, you know, you know, so he comes from Buffalo.
Speaker B:That's where Rick James come from.
Speaker A:So it's just.
Speaker A:I didn't know that.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Rick James from Buffalo.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you know, he, he, he, he was trying to figure out how to finesse it more or less without being so, you know, kind of like, you know, like with me, I would have a conscience as far as dating two women.
Speaker B:Because I didn't want to hurt nobody's feelings.
Speaker B:Stevie never really.
Speaker B:I don't know if he really.
Speaker B:Not to say he didn't care about the feelings, right?
Speaker B:But he didn't.
Speaker B:He just went about it a different way.
Speaker B:Just a little bit more reckless.
Speaker B:Cause he wants everything, everything.
Speaker B:Eat it too.
Speaker B:And he wants the pie and he wants the honey buns, not just the cake.
Speaker B:He wants everything, everything.
Speaker B:So I'm trying to explain to him, man, you gotta just choose one.
Speaker B:You know, when I got to Atlanta.
Speaker B:Cause I was living in Miami, I actually.
Speaker B:My second day.
Speaker B:Cause I had rented a house and I had to go pick him up from Mimi's.
Speaker B:Like Mimi was.
Speaker B:He had packed.
Speaker B:Cause I didn't know he had a baby by Mimi.
Speaker B:And I was like, damn, nigga, you know it's like, you kept this from me.
Speaker B:Cause he was staying with me in Miami for.
Speaker B:You know, we've been knowing each other for years.
Speaker B:He never told me that he had a baby with Mimi.
Speaker B:And I had knew Mimi prior to that.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:And I just didn't know.
Speaker B:And I was like, wow, okay, congratulations.
Speaker B:The baby might have been two or three.
Speaker A:Why didn't he tell you?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I just don't know.
Speaker B:I found out when I got to Atlanta and Mimi was already kicking him out.
Speaker B:Know I was.
Speaker B:I was picking him up from.
Speaker B:I think he had already casted with her.
Speaker B:And I was picking him up from the house.
Speaker B:And I just remember he had all his luggage and in his guitar case, his two guitar cases.
Speaker B:And I picked him up, we packed everything in my car and he came stay with me.
Speaker B:And we had.
Speaker B:I. I had rented a house for a couple of months.
Speaker B:This was prior to me even know about the love and hip hop and the.
Speaker B:He said he got casted.
Speaker B:And I remember, yeah, we went on and then I was just like.
Speaker B:We had a band and we was doing music together.
Speaker B:So he was trying to introduce the band on the show.
Speaker B:And I was in a couple of like, scenes.
Speaker B:But you really didn't see me.
Speaker B:And it was only until like, I met Carly and we started dating.
Speaker A:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:Nigga, I forgot about y' all too.
Speaker B:Well, that's really.
Speaker B:To be honest, that's how I started dating.
Speaker A:I forgot about y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker B:That's how I started getting real scenes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Through her.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:I forgot about that because I was dating her off camera.
Speaker B:And then one day I get a call.
Speaker B:I think I was at her place.
Speaker B:And then Mona was like, look, you know, you're gonna have to come on.
Speaker B:And I was like, oh, no, no, no.
Speaker B:I said, no, I'm not Stevie.
Speaker B:I can't do this.
Speaker B:Cause I'm.
Speaker B:You know, the whole time I was at the Source, I had dated celebrities, but people would never know.
Speaker B:Cause I was super private about my relationships.
Speaker B:I just didn't want.
Speaker B:Because I never wanted like that drama between females.
Speaker B:I never got into that drama of females fighting and everything.
Speaker B:I never ever got into that.
Speaker B:I'd have a conscience.
Speaker B:And I actually cared.
Speaker B:So if I cheated, it was I cheated.
Speaker B:Good to make sure if that even sounds right.
Speaker A:It do.
Speaker A:I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker B:Because I cared about how they felt.
Speaker B:You know, I should have cheated.
Speaker B:But so, you know, a lot of the times I was single, but the times I was with somebody, you know, I had stepped out and especially with the Source magazine.
Speaker B:I mean, we was.
Speaker B:That was just a wild period.
Speaker A:So, yeah, you was bagging him.
Speaker A:I mean, you was the Source.
Speaker A:Like, you the guy.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:That was crazy.
Speaker A:You know, I'm sure it was fun, though.
Speaker A:It was a.
Speaker A:It was a nice lived life.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:I can't even lie.
Speaker B:Like, there was a period of time it went.
Speaker B:You know, we made so much money, and I was just doing so much.
Speaker B:I was a street guy, sold drugs all my life.
Speaker B:So this was a change for me.
Speaker B:And it just happened fast.
Speaker B:The money was coming in fast.
Speaker B:I didn't know anything about all this money.
Speaker B:You know, I made money in the street, but not like this.
Speaker B:So learning how to manage money, I didn't know nothing about that.
Speaker B:I was like Robin Hood.
Speaker B:I was trying to take the whole hood with me.
Speaker B:I was picking up strangers on tour.
Speaker B:I had my own tour bus, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I gave many people jobs.
Speaker B:Many people put them on payroll.
Speaker B:You know, Dave was always like, what are you doing?
Speaker B:But I just.
Speaker B:I just felt like, man, you know, what's the use of having all this money if you can't.
Speaker B:You can't have a bunch of people around you share and have the fun with you?
Speaker B:And I just, you know, I mean, that's probably how I lost it, but I don't have any regrets.
Speaker A:I was just gonna say, no regrets.
Speaker B:No, I don't live regrets.
Speaker B:I don't live with regrets.
Speaker B:I mean, being here at 60 is a blessing, man.
Speaker B:I've been through so much, and just, you know, life is like, what I found out now.
Speaker B:Life is like just one big college course, and you never leave college until you die.
Speaker B:Like, you keep learning until, you know.
Speaker B:So I've.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I look at life through a different lens now, and, you know, and.
Speaker B:And I'm grateful for it.
Speaker A:I appreciate that.
Speaker A:Like, you, I think you're doing great.
Speaker A:I know you've been trying.
Speaker A:You've been through a lot.
Speaker B:Been through a lot.
Speaker A:You've been through a lot.
Speaker A:B.
Speaker A:Like, you know, I've watched you.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:You've been through a lot.
Speaker A:A lot of beefs in the industry now.
Speaker A:Was a lot of that real?
Speaker B:I mean, you know, okay, so beef in the industry isn't to me, right.
Speaker B:I come from Boston, and, you know, Boston's a racist city.
Speaker B:Growing up in the 70s and stuff, you know, real racist city.
Speaker B:My father was from New York, so all.
Speaker B:My grandfather, grandmother from Brooklyn and Bronx, and, you know, I grew up in Boston, was very racist but my dad being a street guy, you know, I was kind of introduced to street life at a young age, super young, like 13.
Speaker B:And, you know, went through Boston.
Speaker B:We started gang banging a lot of deaths, a lot of, you know, I got to see, you know, guys really close to me die right next to me in all kind of ways.
Speaker B:So I had to deal with that.
Speaker B:But, you know, just, just surviving that, you know, is, was, was something.
Speaker B:So that's beef.
Speaker B:The industry stuff in hip hop.
Speaker B:I've always looked at hip hop.
Speaker B:You know, hip hop always had a battling element to it, where guys, you know, talk about each other, talk about each other.
Speaker B:And you know, back in the day, it wasn't as rough as it is now.
Speaker B:You know, some of the words, but it always been personal.
Speaker B:You know, nobody likes to be disrespected, even on wax.
Speaker B:So the, the beefs that people may have seen in the industry with me, I never took them as beef only because of what I've been through in Boston.
Speaker B:And I've lost hundreds, you know, I've lost a lot of guys.
Speaker B:Like, I don't want to, like, I don't, I don't, I don't play with that.
Speaker B:Like, I don't try to hype things up and everything, you know, it's unfortunate that I had to go through that.
Speaker B:I would have never wanted to go through that.
Speaker B:So I don't speak on that.
Speaker B:Like, I wear it as a badge.
Speaker B:That was pretty messed up what I went through.
Speaker B:And I survived it.
Speaker B:I got four guys, my brother and three other guys that ain't here.
Speaker B:But there's so many more.
Speaker B:I would have to fill up my whole body.
Speaker B:Boston isn't black.
Speaker B:Boston isn't that big.
Speaker B:So I was a well known guy.
Speaker B:And because I was into hip hop and I was one of the first hip hop guys in Boston, you know, Boston wasn't accepting hip hop culture.
Speaker B:So people knew me.
Speaker B:But you know, from my street perspective, you know, a lot of guys died, got killed, murdered by police and by one another.
Speaker B:So I survived that, man.
Speaker B:And when I got to the source and started, I didn't have to deal with that anymore.
Speaker B:But these guys that now have jobs, these are still the same street guys that I have.
Speaker B:I'm bringing them along, so I'm trying to transition them into a business.
Speaker B:And it took a while, but you know, any beefs that I've had, and you know, we was a wild bunch at first.
Speaker B:Cause I was, we was a bunch of Boston guys that was wild at first when we got with the Source magazine and Dave.
Speaker B:And, you know, you come across other rap groups, you know, and they're deep.
Speaker B:So, you know, we, you know, we had a few physical fights, you know, with guys in different situations.
Speaker B:But the most part of the beefs, like with eminem or with 50, that was pretty much just on music and wax.
Speaker B:There was never no violence.
Speaker B:You know, I've never.
Speaker B:I've never met these guys personally.
Speaker B:50 I did, and I've actually helped him.
Speaker B:I've told that story where when John stabbed him up and he came down to my session, I called a car service for him.
Speaker B:That was like the first time we ever met.
Speaker B:And, you know, I kind of gave him some.
Speaker B:I gave him a hand at that moment, you know.
Speaker B:Cause I don't know, he ended up their studio's hair.
Speaker B:They had the fight.
Speaker B:He gets stabbed.
Speaker B:He runs down my studio's hair.
Speaker B:I was with the maidman, and he comes in.
Speaker B:One of the maid men guys was outside smoking.
Speaker B:And he came downstairs to our session at Sony Music.
Speaker B:He was bleeding.
Speaker B:And I called a call service.
Speaker B:I would have did it for anybody.
Speaker B:So it's not like it was like, oh, 50.
Speaker B:It just.
Speaker B:First of all, it was just crazy how he came in there like that.
Speaker B:But, yeah, we've never had any violence, physical violence.
Speaker B:So I don't really consider.
Speaker B:If it's not physical, I don't consider it beef.
Speaker B:I just don't, period.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just, you know, so music, trolling, Internet, it's entertaining, battling.
Speaker B:I just, you know, I don't like it.
Speaker B:You know, I don't.
Speaker B:I still call it disrespect, and I don't engage in it.
Speaker B:I'm never the one that's trying to be disrespectful on the Internet or on somebody's page talking.
Speaker B:It's always them at me.
Speaker B:So, you know, I'm.
Speaker B:I'm the one to defend myself.
Speaker B:And, you know, they then took down about 12, 13 pages for me, just defending myself.
Speaker B:And then I get reported, you know, so I don't, you know, I don't mind, though, because like I said, I'm outside guy.
Speaker B:That Internet, you know, you become dependent on these.
Speaker B:On these people's platforms.
Speaker B:And, you know, I don't have to be.
Speaker B:Benzino was here before Instagram.
Speaker A:He was here before hip hop, Instagram, all of that.
Speaker B:Yeah, man.
Speaker B:So, you know, I'm gonna hang my hat on that.
Speaker A:I don't blame you.
Speaker A:Cause it is a lot of trolling and everybody's trying to make a name for themselves.
Speaker A:Or get famous.
Speaker A:And it's like when you already been there that it means nothing to you.
Speaker A:You already had and it come with problems.
Speaker B:You know, I don't, you know, everybody that you know.
Speaker B:One thing about it is I'm definitely misunderstood because I stand on business.
Speaker B:And the business I stand on usually relates to righteousness.
Speaker B:But it gets mixed up with fame and other people's fame and other people's.
Speaker B:Because fans love who they love, whether they're right or wrong.
Speaker B:And if I'm somebody that's speaking against them, well, then they're already going to be against me.
Speaker B:So, you know, that's what happens with a lot of the guys.
Speaker B:What happened with Eminem 50, you know, they have a huge fan base.
Speaker B:So if I'm going against them for certain reasons, then automatically I got millions and millions of white people and you know, just saying crazy shit all the time.
Speaker A:You know, I'm not in the industry, so I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker A:I don't even know what was the beef with you in here.
Speaker B:It wasn't again, it wasn't it.
Speaker B:I took a stance, you know, to.
Speaker B:I felt hip hop coming from the South Bronx.
Speaker B:Back in the 70s, the South Bronx was a horrible place to live.
Speaker B:It was one of the most horrible place in America.
Speaker B:And a lot of people from the Caribbean and Latino and you know, people had live in that.
Speaker B:Those conditions.
Speaker B:My grandfather came up in the Bronx.
Speaker B:That's where hip hop was made from that from the worst conditions in America.
Speaker B:That's where it was made in the streets.
Speaker B:All right, with.
Speaker B:And these guys had nothing, nothing.
Speaker B:And they made it now to a multi trillion dollar industry.
Speaker B:And my thing was, we can't let white America take it like they've taken rock.
Speaker B:Because you know, you would think that a black man never even played a guitar when that's not the truth.
Speaker B:A black man invented, you know, Robert Johnson was one of the first ones to play guitar.
Speaker B:And you know, once you get phased out, once they phase you out, they have ways to.
Speaker B:To make that they can phase you out.
Speaker B:And then now, you know, Elvis is the man.
Speaker B:And I didn't want that for hip hop.
Speaker B:And since I was at the source, I didn't have to answer to nobody.
Speaker B:I seen what was gonna happen.
Speaker B:I expressed it.
Speaker B:So when Eminem came out, I seen what they was using him as.
Speaker B:I figured America, what people in big cities gotta understand.
Speaker B:When you're in a big city, of course you're gonna see white folks and you live with them, you assimilate with them.
Speaker B:But Those white folks are city white folks.
Speaker B:There are way more white folks that live in these rural areas in these different states that will never see black people ever.
Speaker B:There are places in rural areas, woods, I mean, just Appalachian mountains, forests, that these white people live in.
Speaker B:And they don't deal with black people.
Speaker B:And that's their choice.
Speaker B:I don't anything against that.
Speaker B:But now that means that, okay, you don't want to deal with black music, even though hip hop is crossing over to white people, but it's city white people.
Speaker B:So you got all these people in Nebraska, Idaho and Montana, North Dakota, Cul de South, you got all these millions of white guys that are like, they're not with it.
Speaker B:But here comes Eminem now.
Speaker B:So automatically we're gonna be with it because Eminem.
Speaker B:And that's not what hip hop's about.
Speaker B:If you gonna be with it, then you gotta be with us.
Speaker B:Cause that's what the is, is where it's authentic, and that's who you're supposed.
Speaker B:Supposed to support.
Speaker B:But the powers that be seen that there were a lot of white people who wasn't gonna deal with it.
Speaker B:So we need to give them an artist of their own so we can get all this money from them.
Speaker B:And it worked.
Speaker B:And everything I said 20 something years ago happened.
Speaker B:And, you know, Eminem.
Speaker B:If 50 cents is signed to Eminem, well, them white people will just deal with 50 cents and not deal with no other black man at all.
Speaker B:Won't deal with.
Speaker B:Won't buy their music, won't listen to it.
Speaker B:It'll just be.
Speaker B:And that's not what hip hop was about, really.
Speaker B:Hip hop is what brought white culture to black music.
Speaker B:And it wasn't the first time, you know, Motown did it.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I mean, you know, so.
Speaker B:But you see what happened with that.
Speaker B:Next thing you know, Elvis is the king of rock.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:I just didn't want that for hip hop.
Speaker B:And sure enough, Eminem is.
Speaker B:The years from now, we'll be dead, and history books will show, well, who sold the most records.
Speaker B:And they'll look at Eminem, and people would think that he was the greatest in hip hop.
Speaker B:And that couldn't be furthest from the truth, because black people necessarily don't deal with Eminem's music.
Speaker B:It's white people.
Speaker B:And I stood on that.
Speaker B:I've stayed on that, and I've rubbed a lot of white people the wrong way.
Speaker B:It doesn't matter to me, you know.
Speaker B:It doesn't.
Speaker B:It doesn't because.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Because I'm all for inclusion.
Speaker B:They're the ones who are not.
Speaker B:So what I'm doing, I'm just exposing them.
Speaker B:They're really mad because they're being exposed.
Speaker A:Damn, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker A:That's a bar.
Speaker A:That's probably the realest thing I've heard.
Speaker A:And I never actually looked at the culture like that.
Speaker B:No, no, I mean, to be honest with you.
Speaker B:I mean, come on, like the money, the economics that hip hop has done for the streets, for the guys who couldn't go to college, for the street guy, for the guys who just getting out of jail, I mean, we are the worst.
Speaker B:We are at the bottom of the barrel.
Speaker B:The street.
Speaker B:Black American man is at the bottom of the barrel.
Speaker B:Hip hop changed that.
Speaker B:And we got to take that serious.
Speaker B:And when I said that, I didn't have to answer to nobody.
Speaker B:You know, I was a top dog at the Source, so I didn't have to.
Speaker B:Even Russell Simmons had to answer to somebody at Universal.
Speaker B:So, you know, everybody's being real careful about what they say about this Eminem guy because they don't want the backlash.
Speaker B:You know, I got blacklisted, my music and everything because of that.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker B:Radio stations wouldn't play my music because, again, I was.
Speaker B:I was messing with the machine at the time.
Speaker B:This was their money maker.
Speaker B:They seen this guy making trillions through him.
Speaker B:And, you know, by me bringing this up, this wasn't this.
Speaker B:It wasn't supposed to happen.
Speaker B:So a lot of people, when I brought, you know, even when I exposed the racist tapes.
Speaker B:He made racist tapes about black women and about a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker B:His two.
Speaker B:His three white guys, two of them had died.
Speaker B:Now that he started rapping with before the whole Detroit thing, he would make racist tapes and talk bad about black people.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:The white boys came up to the office at the Source.
Speaker B:One day I was in Puerto Rico.
Speaker B:Dave called me.
Speaker B:He was like, you gotta get up here.
Speaker B:They got a whole mixtape of Eminem saying porch monkeys and nigger this and black women are hoes and all kinds.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:So I flew up there, I met the guys.
Speaker B:They was trying to sell the tape for 50,000.
Speaker B:I gave them 15 because they had been trying to sell the tape for over a year.
Speaker B:I gave him 15,000.
Speaker B:And, yeah, we exposed it, but the Internet wasn't out back then, so everybody turned a blind eye.
Speaker B:He made a song called.
Speaker B:Oh, I mean, it's on YouTube and it's.
Speaker B:Man, I forgot the name of the damn song now.
Speaker B:But it's about black women and about how black women are hoes.
Speaker B:They just want your money.
Speaker B:And he says it, you know, white women are better.
Speaker B:He says it in the rap.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:In the rap.
Speaker B:And I exposed the tape and it just, you know, people.
Speaker B:It was at that point Interscope Records was too.
Speaker B:Too big.
Speaker B:And, you know, nobody went with it, and the rest was history, you know, so, you know, it affected my career, affected the source.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it shows you how the power of what white America can do.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:When they get together and they pull the wool over black America's eyes.
Speaker B:And they've done it so many times, just not with Eminem, but there's so many instances that it's happened.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:In sports and other entertainment and movies.
Speaker B:They just take what we have, exploit it, and then they wipe us out.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:You know, these days, you can't even find a black hip hop artist in top 40 radio anymore.
Speaker B:And they wiped it out.
Speaker B:The biggest platform to make money on, they've wiped out because they have all these different artists that white artists that can make these songs now they're making.
Speaker B:You got white artists making Caribbean songs now with Caribbean rhythms.
Speaker B:I mean, I could name.
Speaker B:I can go to Justin Timberlake and Christina Aguilera.
Speaker B:I can go on and on and on.
Speaker B:Like they've wiped out R and B music.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, this.
Speaker B:We just keep allowing them to exploit our culture and then cancel it.
Speaker B:And then we.
Speaker B:Then we're left trying to fend for the crumbs when all we have to do is stick together.
Speaker B:And then we dictate what we want to allow them to come in and deal with it.
Speaker B:And we sell each other out for.
Speaker A:A few dollars for money.
Speaker B:The most powerfulest ones with the influence sell us out for money, and everybody else suffers.
Speaker A:Why do you think that is, B?
Speaker A:Like, why is our culture always the one to do that?
Speaker B:I mean, it comes from slavery.
Speaker B:You know, it started with slavery how they.
Speaker B:How they broke us mentally, physically, spiritually, you know, and it hasn't.
Speaker B:The remnants of that still shows today.
Speaker B:Everything starts here.
Speaker B:And we haven't recovered from that still.
Speaker B:You know, they say 400 years, but imagine how strong that was of what they've done to us to last this long.
Speaker B:Just that we still have that people can still have a slave mentality to.
Speaker B:To want to hurt each other and, you know, and look up to them and deal with their foolishness and their trickery, to actually go for the trickery.
Speaker B:And, you know, when you speak out on it now, you're the racist One, you know, how the hell can I be racist?
Speaker B:How can a black person be racist?
Speaker B:It's the silliest thing ever.
Speaker B:The problem is white America has a problem when you expose them because they don't want to be exposed.
Speaker B:They don't want to be looked upon because their kids are looking at them like, damn, why are you like this?
Speaker B:You know, thank God that the youth is kind of waking up.
Speaker B:But even still, the stronghold they have on them, you know, they don't.
Speaker B:Again, there's places to this day that still haven't seen.
Speaker B:That don't see a black person.
Speaker B:They might see one or two or three in their neighborhoods if you see them at Walmart, but these.
Speaker B:There's places in this country that will never see a black person.
Speaker B:When you're driving down a highway and it's hours and hours and hours, and all you see is trees and trees and trees and trees right on the side of the highways.
Speaker B:There are hundreds of thousands of white people living right up in there.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:And we take it for granted, like, you know, that these are the same white people that kind of live in the city with us.
Speaker B:They're not.
Speaker B:What I found out is that a lot of these white people that come from the rural areas, the kids come to college and they'll get to the cities where we are at, which are the ghettos.
Speaker B:We're still stuck in the ghettos.
Speaker B:Every race was in the ghetto.
Speaker B:They got them the Italians, the Jewish ghetto was a Jewish term.
Speaker B:The Irish, they got up out of it.
Speaker B:We're still there.
Speaker B:It just tells you something.
Speaker B:And, you know, hip hop, I believe, was kind of sent from God to kind of save us.
Speaker B:And it has.
Speaker B:But once again, we, we, we, we.
Speaker B:We just gave it up.
Speaker B:I mean, look at how.
Speaker B:Look at how we're killing each other.
Speaker B:Look at the algorithm of the Internet and what we're doing to each other.
Speaker B:I mean, it's the most horrible.
Speaker A:Like, it is.
Speaker B:Like, what is this?
Speaker B:Like, what are we?
Speaker B:What have we turned into?
Speaker B:And, you know, it's just sad, man.
Speaker B:And, you know, I haven't changed.
Speaker B:You know, I haven't.
Speaker B:You know, I stay.
Speaker B:I stand on business.
Speaker B:I stick up for our people, I stick up for our women.
Speaker B:And I don't think I'll ever stop doing that.
Speaker B:And as long as these white guys and women keep coming at me on the Internet, I'm gonna give them the business.
Speaker B:Yeah, I give them the business here for it.
Speaker B:Oh, I give them.
Speaker B:Listen, they come at me.
Speaker B:Oh, boy.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:And then for them, and it's funny because they'll come at me and say some shit.
Speaker B:I'll give them the business and then they report me.
Speaker A:Yeah, ain't that something?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But, you know.
Speaker B:But I don't.
Speaker B:It doesn't matter because I.
Speaker B:The same people that are giving me the business are the same people who own the platforms.
Speaker B:So at the end of the day, I'm not one to, like, you ain't gonna see me sweat.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Knock me off your platform, I'll make another page.
Speaker B:Knock me out.
Speaker B:That doesn't matter.
Speaker B:I'm still gonna get money.
Speaker B:I'm still gonna be me.
Speaker B:I'm not dependent on you.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:And that'll be like that until I'm in the ground.
Speaker B:And I'll be proud that I didn't bend, bow or sell my soul for anything against something that has been wrong against us since we've been brought here from Africa.
Speaker B:It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker A:Me having this interview with you definitely opened up my eyes in regards to you.
Speaker A:Because, you know us on the outside, all we see is love and hip hop, you know, all we see is the rapper, the, you know, the emotion be coming out, all the crazy shit.
Speaker B:On the Internet and everything.
Speaker A:This is more personal, like, you know, this is B.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:And I appreciate the real.
Speaker A:You like facts.
Speaker A:Like, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:I'm similar.
Speaker A:I don't really care what nobody say.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:I don't give a damn.
Speaker A:We're basically whistleblowers.
Speaker A:You're a whistleblower, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:And you gonna stand up for what's right.
Speaker A:What's right, Even if it may cause backlash on you.
Speaker A:A lot of people ain't gonna do that, man.
Speaker B:Listen, I turned around and looked behind me when I was going to Eminem and wasn't nobody there.
Speaker B:Dang.
Speaker B:The top rappers, all these top guys who were the kings of New York and all these top guys won't none of these guys say anything against.
Speaker B:Wouldn't dare say anything.
Speaker A:They don't, because, you know, they don't want to.
Speaker A:They don't want to fumble.
Speaker A:They back.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Which is understandable.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So that means we're just going to continue to let you know all of this happen.
Speaker B:Well, that means that you're going to give.
Speaker B:That means that they're going to keep retaining their power over you if you're Sitting back watching somebody do something wrong, and you don't say nothing because of money, that's a problem.
Speaker A:That is a problem.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:And if it has to do with race and color, that's a major problem.
Speaker B:That's been the problem since day one.
Speaker B:You know, since I had, since I was at the source, I didn't have to answer nobody.
Speaker B:And even when I lost everything, got indicted, I lost everything, went from a millionaire to nothing.
Speaker B:But I was, I was, I. I didn't have nothing.
Speaker B:When I first came up, I always went back to Four Corners and I went and got a bag.
Speaker B:I'm a hustler, so money never made me.
Speaker B:So having it, not having it wasn't the problem because I know how to get it.
Speaker B:It's standing on what I believe in is what is right.
Speaker B:There's no gray area.
Speaker B:And as I've gotten older, that gray area has shrunk even more.
Speaker B:It's only what's right in my eyes.
Speaker B:You know, I was brought up by my mom.
Speaker B:God rested her.
Speaker B:My dad, My dad was a street guy.
Speaker B:My mom was a hard working woman.
Speaker B:But I grew up with morals.
Speaker B:Even my father within the street, he still had morals.
Speaker B:There was a.
Speaker B:A lot of people don't understand back in the 70s, these guys that were in the streets still had family morals and different things about them that were good.
Speaker B:Not everything was bad about a hustler with drugs and violence.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:But there were still things that made me a man through that, that I still carry today that I'm proud of.
Speaker B:Now, I'm not proud of selling drugs.
Speaker B:I'm not proud of shooting or getting shot or anything.
Speaker B:But there are things other than that that have shaped who I am, that makes me able to stand on business and have those type of qualities that to me are the right qualities to have that I've passed on to my.
Speaker B:I could pass them on to my kids.
Speaker B:I have four kids.
Speaker B:I mean, Zeno's 10.
Speaker B:But my two boys, Ray Ray and Taj, they don't even have a felony.
Speaker B:Ray Ray's 31, Taj is 22.
Speaker B:I, you know, don't even have a felony.
Speaker B:Coy, you know, look.
Speaker B:Look at all the amazing things Koi's doing.
Speaker B:You know, she both.
Speaker B:My son waited till, you know, he's 30 years old to have his child.
Speaker B:Coy waited till she was 27, 28.
Speaker B:These are good things, man.
Speaker A:Excellent.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I'm proud of that.
Speaker B:So, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, I mean, going through challenges I've been through challenges since day one.
Speaker B:Been ducking bullets and court cases and murder charges, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker B:Indictments, federal tax cases, all kind of stuff.
Speaker B:It never stopped.
Speaker B:But I stayed who I am, man.
Speaker B:Because I don't look at it as me against black people.
Speaker B:I look at it as me against the system.
Speaker B:The system is white.
Speaker B:It is what it is.
Speaker B:It is what it is.
Speaker B:The system isn't black.
Speaker B:These systems that were made up against us were made by white people, all right?
Speaker B:That don't mean I hate all white people.
Speaker B:Because Dave Mays Jewish guy was my partner.
Speaker B:We did great things for over 25 years.
Speaker B:My brother, my father growing up was dealing with the Italian mob, the Irish mob, Jewish guys.
Speaker B:He's locked up for 15 years.
Speaker B:He's turning me on the plugs.
Speaker B:These are all older men that I have to go see.
Speaker B:And I have to carry myself a certain way to represent him.
Speaker B:So it wasn't that I was racist.
Speaker B:Sure, I've seen the unfairness of white people growing up, that white people can do this and black people can't.
Speaker B:But that shaped me.
Speaker B:But, you know, I love all people.
Speaker B:I don't care who it is.
Speaker B:I love all people.
Speaker B:And that includes white people.
Speaker B:But I'm conscious and cognizant of what white people have done to us and what's going on.
Speaker B:And what's going on.
Speaker A:And I applaud you for speaking on it because I actually never looked at it like that when it comes to hip hop, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:So I appreciate you speaking on it.
Speaker A:I know it's deeper than what we know you was in it.
Speaker A:We on the outside looking at it on TV or hearing it or hearing reading it through the source or youtubing it, but you actually live in it.
Speaker A:And it's really sad that it did affect your well being or your life or your finances or whatever.
Speaker A:What about I want to redirect your relationship with your daughter?
Speaker A:Now, I know a lot of that was in the media.
Speaker A:Me personally, I don't read all that shit.
Speaker A:I don't pay attention to it.
Speaker A:I'm in my own little bubble over here, so I don't be knowing what's going on.
Speaker A:What is you in her relationship?
Speaker A:Like, why did it go bad?
Speaker A:Why is it good?
Speaker B:Where you guys stand now, you know, there's a man.
Speaker B:Why did it go bad?
Speaker B:Well, look, growing up in the hood and having children is probably one of the most difficult things that anybody could go through.
Speaker B:Mother and father, because nobody's ready.
Speaker B:Even though I had My first child at 27 years old, I still wasn't ready.
Speaker B:I didn't have a house, I wasn't stable.
Speaker B:I was still selling drugs.
Speaker B:She wasn't stable, she didn't have a house.
Speaker B:But we love each other and we're gonna, you know, my first baby mother was in the projects.
Speaker B:Corey's baby mother was kind of like in the pro.
Speaker B:So you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:We street guys and girls, we're not ready to have children, but we have children.
Speaker B:We are bringing children into a situation that is dysfunctional, off the rip.
Speaker B:Our love and our dedication overshadows that.
Speaker B:Like you have your first baby, it's like, wow, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So of course.
Speaker B:But the reality is who is ready for that?
Speaker B:So everything that now, the real challenges come when you have a child as a street guy.
Speaker B:I don't have a 9 to 5.
Speaker B:I'm not in college even if I was in college.
Speaker B:That's even hard too.
Speaker B:So you got to put things in perspective.
Speaker B:It's not just having a baby.
Speaker B:You're bringing a baby in probably in the worst circumstances, all of us, unless you're born.
Speaker B:Unless she was born into generational wealth.
Speaker B:But you're bringing a baby into the worst circumstances.
Speaker B:So you do the best you can with what you got.
Speaker B:And you love the child, you have to feed the child, you have to clothe the child.
Speaker B:So as a hustler, I gotta get out there and hustle overtime.
Speaker B:Now the mother's not working, she can't work.
Speaker B:Cause she has to watch the baby.
Speaker B:So I gotta get out there and really get it.
Speaker B:I gotta.
Speaker B:My mentality has to be damn, well, I sold this.
Speaker B:Well, I gotta sell this.
Speaker B:And you know, you get an apartment, you're with the girl and it's hard both.
Speaker B:It makes you.
Speaker B:It puts a strain on the relationship because before the baby was here, there's a certain strange that wasn't there.
Speaker B:I'm just trying to let people understand a perspective that they probably never thought.
Speaker B:People just think a baby comes, you raise the baby.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Let's call it for what it is now.
Speaker B:You know, we're bringing babies when we're in the hood, in the ghetto poverty.
Speaker B:We're bringing babies, you're having babies in the worst situations.
Speaker B:We make the best of it.
Speaker B:And I was able to climb out of the streets when the Source magazine started flourishing and to be able, you know, when I met, of course, when I met Corey's mother, we had, you know, we we fell in love with each other.
Speaker B:Whatever hood love is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because that could be interpreted a lot of different ways.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:But you know, hey, come on, it's our love.
Speaker B:And yeah, you know, Ray Ray's mother, the same thing.
Speaker B:You know, Ray Ray was my first.
Speaker B:He's three, four years older than Coy, so.
Speaker B:But everybody's in the hood.
Speaker B:Roxbury, Dorchester, Mattapan and yeah, man, you know, we don't have a.
Speaker B:A father doesn't have a handbook on how to raise a child.
Speaker B:You just kind of learn from whatever, whatever influences you had growing up.
Speaker B:My mother and father were never married.
Speaker B:My dad wasn't there all the time, was locked up and doing the street thing.
Speaker B:I got a lot of stepbrothers and stepsisters.
Speaker B:So, you know, again, it's dysfunctionality.
Speaker B:That doesn't make it bad, but it is what it is.
Speaker B:So, you know, and not just me, I'm speaking for all street guys who probably couldn't even think like this to even express this.
Speaker B:But these are the challenges that we have to go through as being fathers.
Speaker B:And once I started getting money, you know, Coy's mother had two other sons by two other guys that I had to raise.
Speaker B:All right, that wasn't mine, but they, but they was mines because I had to provide for them.
Speaker B:When Coy came, I was with the source.
Speaker B:We was doing really well.
Speaker B:She was young, we had moved, we had mansions.
Speaker B:And things are going good when she was young.
Speaker B:Even then I'm on the road, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:It's, you know, I'm not the Huxtable, you know, people.
Speaker B:When you look at, I think our culture, when we look at trying to raise kids, we're looking at it from a TV perspective of whatever we see who's married on TV and how they raise kids.
Speaker B:The Brady Bunch shit back then, whatever show that my three sons.
Speaker B:I'm naming shows back in the day that Leave it to Beaver.
Speaker B:Like I'm looking at shows, these are the shows that I came on that I'm seeing kids with their relationships, but they couldn't.
Speaker B:That was furthest from what we was.
Speaker B:But we didn't know that.
Speaker B:So automatically, maybe that's the standard that we're trying to hold ourselves to some TV and movie, but it's just not reality.
Speaker B:So we really never seen anything that showed the reality of how to raise a child in a non dysfunctional home.
Speaker B:And I don't think we get enough credit.
Speaker B:And it's not even about credit.
Speaker B:I don't Think we get enough empathy on trying to do that, man?
Speaker A:Perfect word.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, it's hard being black, man.
Speaker B:Already in the 70s and 80s now you're trying to raise a kid throughout all this, the crack era.
Speaker B:I mean, come on.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, man.
Speaker B:Like, I don't think kids, especially these.
Speaker B:These in this generation, really give their parents grace.
Speaker B:I think, you know, I'm not just speaking on coy.
Speaker B:I think this generation, because this gen.
Speaker B:This is the first time this generation, like, kind.
Speaker B:It's the first time that because of the Internet, this generation is kind of meshed in with us, with that.
Speaker B:Like my gen, like, when I was young, everything that my father did or my mother did was so far from what I was doing, what I was wearing, what I was listening to.
Speaker B:It was a big difference.
Speaker B:Now everything's all together.
Speaker A:Everything.
Speaker B:The young girls are wearing, what the old women are wearing, the older women, the.
Speaker B:The music everybody's listening to, the makeup.
Speaker B:Everything is the same.
Speaker B:We're all jumbled in this.
Speaker B:Like one.
Speaker B:Everybody's.
Speaker B:It's never been like that.
Speaker B:And what that does, I think it gives this generation a sense of.
Speaker B:That there are our peers almost, and they don't think about what we had to go through to raise them at any circumstance.
Speaker B:Mother and father, nine times out of 10, when the mother and father breaks up, they stay with the mother.
Speaker B:The guy gets with another girl, the mother's pissed.
Speaker B:What do you think the mother's going to be feeding them kids?
Speaker B:She's not going to be saying great things about.
Speaker B:About the dad.
Speaker B:So when a kid, then the kids watching the father with another woman, if another woman has another kid now, the kid develops a little anger.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I mean, so, you know, these are all the things.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:This is the dysfunction that we have to go through.
Speaker B:And, man, you know, I wish it wasn't like that.
Speaker B:You know, Doc, I wish it.
Speaker B:I wish it wasn't like that.
Speaker A:Me, too.
Speaker B:But the reality is we ain't wishing.
Speaker B:This is the reality.
Speaker B:And, you know, with me and Coy, I can understand that we, you know, when me and her mom broke up, that she probably felt a certain way.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:And I get it.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:Not even probably.
Speaker B:I'm sure she did.
Speaker B:I try to do the best by having them every summers, every Christmas, every Thanksgiving, every spring break.
Speaker B:They was with me that.
Speaker B:That might be four months out the year.
Speaker B:You know, there's a time once they become 16, they just don't want to be around their parents at all they.
Speaker A:Want to be all the time.
Speaker B:They want to be with their friends, fight about this, they want to smoke, they want to do their thing.
Speaker A:It's nothing personal.
Speaker A:It's not you guys, they're teenager.
Speaker B:And I understand that.
Speaker B:And I understood that.
Speaker B:But you know where the father is before that I was her hero.
Speaker A:Oh my.
Speaker B:Like I was, I was dad and I was.
Speaker B:And I was not.
Speaker B:Well, you know, I can't say that, you know, because it hurts, you know.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And I don't want to open up because our thing is always on the Internet.
Speaker B:I do interviews, she does interviews.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:And it kind of makes the wounds.
Speaker B:So I don't want to really talk too much about that part of it.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:What I, I just want to explain that maybe this generation really doesn't understand what their parents had to go through just to put food on the table.
Speaker A:For them and that's it.
Speaker B:And if regardless of the mother and father and the breakup, just have empathy for the individual and what he had.
Speaker B:If I could talk to any child out there or child or young adult or father, fathers and mother, like what?
Speaker B:But this is for the generation.
Speaker B:The Gen Z is have empathy for your parents.
Speaker B:Man, you just really don't understand what your parents had to go through, is going through.
Speaker B:Like I said, just to raise you, facts just to put clothes on you so you can go to school, feed you.
Speaker B:You just don't really understand how hard it was just to accomplish that.
Speaker A:Especially if you're a good parent, if you care about your kids, if you want better care for your kids.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Most do.
Speaker B:Like we're not animals, it's just that, you know, but we grow up in, in the hood and it's dysfunction in the hood.
Speaker B:I don't think that the love isn't there.
Speaker B:But man, when, if, if, if the mother, father ain't together and the father's on child support and if you want another girl and then the mother don't like the.
Speaker B:It's just non stop drama and conflict.
Speaker B:So raising a child just becomes like it gets caught up in all that.
Speaker B:I mean, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like I don't have the answers.
Speaker B:All I could say is just have, give, give your parents grace, for Christ's sakes.
Speaker B:Nobody, you think a parent wanted to bring a child into this and go through all this.
Speaker B:A parent would want to bring a child and give the child everything they wanted.
Speaker B:I tried to give Coy and him everything they ever wanted.
Speaker B:There was no question.
Speaker B:I tried to Spoil her.
Speaker B:She's tatted.
Speaker B:She was the only girl.
Speaker B:So, you know.
Speaker B:But when things got rough, then what am I supposed to do, right?
Speaker B:What are we supposed to do?
Speaker B:Even when things got rough, I still was sending money.
Speaker B:I still was, you know, even when I got.
Speaker B:I lost everything, got indicted.
Speaker B:What am I supposed to do?
Speaker B:So now you don't kick me while I'm down, or you don't embarrass me in front of thousands of people, and you don't get on the Internet and make me look crazy.
Speaker B:Like, come on.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, come on.
Speaker B:I would.
Speaker B:Listen, my father.
Speaker B:I would never ever.
Speaker B:Me and my father been through stuff, and I would never.
Speaker B:Because I know what my father went through.
Speaker B:All that jail time and everything.
Speaker B:I would never fix my face to disrespect him, never mind privately.
Speaker B:And I don't do it privately with me and that in public.
Speaker B:Never in public, because you know what he had to go through.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I don't look at it.
Speaker B:Okay, well, he was in the streets.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, he was in the streets.
Speaker B:So what?
Speaker B:This is what we had.
Speaker B:There's not too many avenues for us, okay?
Speaker B:So, you know, I give him grace, and I still look at him as my hero, regardless.
Speaker B:You know, sometimes we butt heads because he comes from, you know, that period of time where, you know, he don't want to hear that shit.
Speaker B:What he says and what he thinks, even, you know, like I said, coming up in the crack era, the drugs and everything, and people don't understand.
Speaker B:That was a.
Speaker B:That was a different era to come up in when you're black and what you had to go through and, you know, so, you know, I.
Speaker B:Listen.
Speaker B:There's nothing more proud I could be of her.
Speaker B:First of all, she's financially independent, so my job is done.
Speaker A:You did your part.
Speaker B:She's my job is done.
Speaker B:Now, how she feels that that came about is.
Speaker B:I'm gonna leave that up to her.
Speaker B:But look, even my granddaughter, I see her on the shade room.
Speaker B:She's beautiful, right?
Speaker A:You ever met her?
Speaker B:Not yet.
Speaker B:But listen, a artist paints art and he dies.
Speaker B:His art still lives.
Speaker B:That's my art.
Speaker B:Can't take that from me.
Speaker B:I don't care how much what you don't like about me or what you.
Speaker B:I made that.
Speaker B:I'm proud of that.
Speaker B:And when I go, that'll still be my art.
Speaker B:My Yoko will be my art.
Speaker B:My Yoko will be my art.
Speaker B:That's mine's.
Speaker B:Just like my father.
Speaker B:I hope he feels the same way that's just.
Speaker B:That's how.
Speaker B:And I'm proud of that.
Speaker B:You ain't gonna take my pride away from that.
Speaker B:Because, you know, with that, her, when that picture got painted of me, well, now I'm the poster guy for the deadbeat dad.
Speaker B:That's bullshit.
Speaker B:Not me.
Speaker B:Now, I don't know about all these other girls and what they dads did, but not me.
Speaker B:Don't be fooled, you know what I'm saying, by the bullshit and the 52 fake out.
Speaker B:No, I was there.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Every step of the way, as much as I could in the.
Speaker B:In, in.
Speaker B:Well, what you were dealing with, what I had dealt with.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I believe.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And I take my hat off to you, Benzino.
Speaker A:Like a lot of people may talk and all that, but one thing I do love about you and respect is that you a real one and you gonna tell your story regardless of what people think.
Speaker A:And I think I wish more people was like you.
Speaker A:You take accountability, and that's just what it is.
Speaker A:I really pray that you and her can one day mend it for the sake of your life.
Speaker B:I've got on my knees many nights and prayed for it.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:I get on my knees many a night, many a nights.
Speaker B:It'll happen, and I pray for that.
Speaker B:You know, it'll happen.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:But with me, with me, how, you know, how I made it to 60 and how I don't, from all the things I've been through, you know, get depressed because depression will slow me down.
Speaker B:That's what's going to take the hustle out of me.
Speaker B:I can't allow that to happen.
Speaker B:You know, what's out of my control.
Speaker B:God got to handle it, you know, it's not me.
Speaker B:My door is open.
Speaker B:Coy has to figure it out.
Speaker B:And if she figures it out, man, I'm here.
Speaker B:If she doesn't, I can't let it affect me.
Speaker B:And I'm not going to let my legacy be tarnished by things that aren't true.
Speaker B:Because my legacy is important to me, you know, that's all we got.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, when the money's gone, the fame's gone, all this other.
Speaker B:I never believed in that crap, the celebrity and all that shit, I never believed in that.
Speaker B:It's a blessing.
Speaker B:I'm in the airport and people come up to me and take pictures.
Speaker B:At my age and what I've been through, that's a blessing that my people who are in the same struggle come up to me and be smiling.
Speaker B:I took about 30 waiting for.
Speaker B:Delayed, waiting for the air.
Speaker B:Took about 30 pitches.
Speaker A:I figured that's why I was.
Speaker A:I knew that was going to do it.
Speaker B:I'm more famous than I've ever been.
Speaker B:And I don't say that bragging.
Speaker B:I say that proud, man, of where I came from.
Speaker B:You know, how happy I am when somebody comes up to me and it's like.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker B:People are actually like.
Speaker B:It's like they've known me forever.
Speaker B:It's not like a celebrity thing.
Speaker B:It's like, man, what's up, family?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:That makes me proud, man.
Speaker B:Like, I'm happy with that.
Speaker B:That's what keeps me going.
Speaker B:That's what keeps me going for the bag, of course.
Speaker B:Because, you know, money's out there.
Speaker B:I'm gonna get it.
Speaker A:Well, you put your work in, though.
Speaker A:You put in the work.
Speaker B:Still doing it.
Speaker A:Well, let's talk about what we got going.
Speaker A:I'm so excited.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm excited.
Speaker A:No facts.
Speaker B:Like, look at me, B. I'm excited.
Speaker A:I'm excited.
Speaker B:No, I am too.
Speaker A:Like, I really think I am, too, that you're gonna do well.
Speaker A:I think that this is a great opportunity for you.
Speaker A:Even this interview right here, this just show that TV shit is bullshit.
Speaker A:Like, this is not our shit Bullshit.
Speaker A:Like, me seeing you and having this conversation with you.
Speaker A:I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker A:I look at you different, in a good way, in the best way.
Speaker A:And I'm excited to work with you.
Speaker A:I ain't gonna lie, nigga.
Speaker A:I was scared at first.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:I mean, I. Oh, shit.
Speaker A:This thing gonna be flipping out.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker A:We gotta get caught upon this.
Speaker B:My thing is.
Speaker B:My thing is, you know, my thing is, like, I, I, you know, at 60, there's no gray area.
Speaker B:So you just want, like, logically, I, I, I, I can put things together quick now because I've been through so much.
Speaker B:So something that might.
Speaker B:Something that might happen, that somebody might do, I could figure out that they could have just done it more efficient and it would have helped them out.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:With helping me out.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:That's really all it is.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And you're passionate.
Speaker B:Super passionate.
Speaker B:I'm a cancer.
Speaker A:You all right?
Speaker A:My husband's a cancer.
Speaker A:I already know how y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:I think that's how I can.
Speaker A:Okay, now I'm like, okay, now I know how to deal with this.
Speaker A:You like my husband.
Speaker A:You guys are emotional.
Speaker B:Emotional.
Speaker A:Very sensitive.
Speaker B:Very sensitive.
Speaker A:And, and, and that's okay.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:We need more people.
Speaker A:Men, especially all men.
Speaker A:But I'm saying black men to be vulnerable.
Speaker A:That's what's wrong with him.
Speaker B:To wear it on the sleeve.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:We need.
Speaker B:We need more men to wear it on his sleeve.
Speaker A:More.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I like that.
Speaker A:So he say that to say we got a show coming up.
Speaker B:We have a show coming up.
Speaker A:Show.
Speaker A:He will have his podcast where going.
Speaker B:To be because of Dr. Audra.
Speaker B:And thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I'm.
Speaker B:I'm very.
Speaker B:Shout out to uni Mo better community.
Speaker A:This is gonna be epic.
Speaker A:Me.
Speaker A:I'm excited.
Speaker B:I'm gonna be the one doing the interviews.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And this will be my first time.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:My first time.
Speaker A:I'm excited for you.
Speaker A:That's why I think it's a good thing.
Speaker B:I've done magazines, I've done tv, I've done movies on tubi.
Speaker B:I've done a whole bunch.
Speaker B:I've never been an interviewer.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:So this is something that is new to me.
Speaker B:I've always.
Speaker B:Anything that's new to me, I've always killed it.
Speaker A:Well, you're an intellect, so it won't be hard.
Speaker A:Like, you have great conversation, you got a lot to say.
Speaker A:And I think the guests.
Speaker A:We're not.
Speaker A:Let's keep that a secret.
Speaker A:Okay, okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But the guests.
Speaker A:Yeah, you got some good guests coming, and it's some stuff that needs to be told.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And one thing I'm gonna love that.
Speaker A:I know you ain't afraid to ask him questions.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think what I want to do is.
Speaker B:I think what's missing in a lot of these interviews is what I also.
Speaker B:What I want to bring out.
Speaker B:A lot of people want to know where these.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What these people's journey was like.
Speaker B:That's what you know.
Speaker B:And I think that.
Speaker B:I think the journey is so important because I think our people need perspectives from what people went through, where they came from, school they went to, the first time they was in love, you know, the first time they had a child they wanted.
Speaker B:There are people that need to see these things so that they could use it as an influence.
Speaker B:And of course, you know, you know, you know, you touch on the controversies that happen, but controversies happen through the journey.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You don't make.
Speaker B:I don't want to highlight controversies.
Speaker A:Me neither.
Speaker B:I want to.
Speaker B:I want to go through the journey with these people of what that.
Speaker B:That's what I'm.
Speaker B:I want to find out and really, you know, kind of tap into their journey of successes.
Speaker B:And their mistakes along the way.
Speaker B:And I think that can give people.
Speaker B:Because now everybody just wants drama.
Speaker B:They just want the drama.
Speaker B:They want the gossip.
Speaker B:I don't want to approach it like that.
Speaker A:No, we want them to wear it on their sleeve in the best way possible.
Speaker A:Positive.
Speaker A:That's what even my platform is.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I'm not here to.
Speaker B:I like.
Speaker B:I love your platform.
Speaker B:I love the way.
Speaker A:I love.
Speaker A:I'm not here to make people look bad.
Speaker B:No, I love that.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:I'm not with that.
Speaker A:Let's talk about the positive things.
Speaker A:What you got coming up going.
Speaker A:What you being your.
Speaker A:Your accolade.
Speaker A:You know, being a good father, being through the struggle, vulnerable.
Speaker A:That's how I come.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker A:And we need more of this.
Speaker B:This is great.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:You have a great.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:Your energy is great.
Speaker B:Your team's great.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:And, you know, I.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:That's what fuels me.
Speaker A:Yeah, me too.
Speaker B:You know, because I do a lot of these.
Speaker B:And, you know, some of them.
Speaker B:You know, some of them, you'd be surprised.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Oh, I ain't surprised.
Speaker A:I've seen it.
Speaker A:They got the Tasha K's out there.
Speaker A:Everybody want to kill her and beat her.
Speaker A:I don't want to be that.
Speaker A:I don.
Speaker B:Be there.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't want that energy.
Speaker B:That energy is not a good energy.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker B:And it's not good for our people, and it's not good for our culture, especially now.
Speaker B:And we need more of this.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:That's what I want, I guess.
Speaker B:We're going to do 12 episodes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I want those 12 episodes.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The 12 guests to leave there happy.
Speaker B:Like how I feel now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, when I leave here, I'm gonna feel happy and positive.
Speaker A:Oh, well, I got more for you.
Speaker A:You already know that.
Speaker A:I got some stuff minute, if you don't mind helping me with that.
Speaker A:It's on the left over there, you know.
Speaker A:You know, I do a little special something for my guests.
Speaker B:People don't do that.
Speaker A:Nobody's doing it.
Speaker B:People don't do it.
Speaker A:Nobody's doing it.
Speaker B:Nobody does nothing special for the guests.
Speaker B:They get the guests.
Speaker B:Okay, we got to see you later.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:They don't care.
Speaker A:They don't care how you get here.
Speaker A:They don't care about no.
Speaker A:So me, I try to do it a little bit different now.
Speaker B:You're dope.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:You're dope.
Speaker B:And I'VE done these for years and you are like, you like for real.
Speaker B:Your energy is great.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:And the experience is amazing.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Well, I got this for you, you know, I got.
Speaker A:For the king.
Speaker A:For the king, you know, you see, you see him?
Speaker B:This is my first Versace roll.
Speaker A:No, you lying.
Speaker B:Never had a Versace.
Speaker A:Oh, I feel honored.
Speaker B:I've never.
Speaker A:Because I feel like people wouldn't appreciate it, but I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker A:You top.
Speaker B:Never had a Versace roll.
Speaker B:This is my first Versace robe.
Speaker B:I really.
Speaker B:I'm getting goosebumps.
Speaker B:I really appreciate you and I got.
Speaker A:My book for you.
Speaker B:Of course, of course.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna read it, please.
Speaker B:Going back.
Speaker B:I got four seven hour flight.
Speaker A:You promise?
Speaker B:Please read it.
Speaker A:You ain't gonna be able to watch you.
Speaker A:You might finish it.
Speaker A:I finished it on my first floor.
Speaker A:I couldn't.
Speaker B:How many pages?
Speaker A:How many pages?
Speaker A:Like 200, I think.
Speaker B:Well, I don't know if I read 200, but I think it's.
Speaker B:I can get about 60 pages in there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You don't know.
Speaker A:You don't.
Speaker A:If it's a good book, it might draw you.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker B:We'll see?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker A:Well, listen, I'm so.
Speaker A:This is so.
Speaker A:This is excited.
Speaker B:My first Versace.
Speaker A:I'm so excited.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Tomorrow night, tag me in it, please.
Speaker B:You will get tagged.
Speaker B:I'm gonna make sure I look good in my first Versace robe.
Speaker B:I'm excited.
Speaker A:Me too.
Speaker B:I got some Versace.
Speaker B:E roast cologne is my favorite cologne.
Speaker A:Okay, good to know.
Speaker B:You know, there will be a special young lady that you know, Ashley.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying, Ashley.
Speaker A:Hopefully I get to be there.
Speaker B:Of course you will.
Speaker A:I'm coming.
Speaker A:She bring her if she can come.
Speaker B:She's my second.
Speaker B:She's my other half.
Speaker B:You'll meet.
Speaker B:She's dope.
Speaker B:Like, you'll like her a lot.
Speaker A:I believe it.
Speaker B:Yeah, she's from Atlanta.
Speaker B:She's, you know, we've been five years and going on.
Speaker B:You're five and a half.
Speaker B:And she's been a great.
Speaker B:She's been a great inspiration for me.
Speaker B:She really has.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker B:She's opened me up a lot too.
Speaker B:You know, like I said, I came with baggage when we got together and man, she's helped me in a lot of ways.
Speaker B:And I'm a. I can actually tell.
Speaker A:Your temperament is different.
Speaker A:Yeah, man, we ain't perfect and nobody's perfect, but I can tell you I've.
Speaker B:Came a Long way, Doc.
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker A:Oh, I didn't watch you.
Speaker A:I see you.
Speaker A:I see you, like, even now.
Speaker B:I was scared to right now.
Speaker B:This is so dope.
Speaker B:And I love the color.
Speaker B:And I'm telling you, I'm going to rock the out of this.
Speaker A:I'm glad that's what's up.
Speaker A:I got my book for you.
Speaker A:Y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Listen, be prepared.
Speaker A:Wear it on the sleeve will be the new Benzino podcast.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's about to come to you about.
Speaker B:We're about to film the first one in May 7th.
Speaker B:A week.
Speaker A:May 7th, one week.
Speaker B:You'll be in Atlanta.
Speaker A:Yes, I'm going to Atlanta.
Speaker B:Super excited.
Speaker B:And this is going to dope.
Speaker B:And I'm really proud of you.
Speaker B:And I'm really.
Speaker B:Listen, honestly, like, you're going to be a great influence.
Speaker B:These young women need influencers like you more.
Speaker B:The young women right now.
Speaker B:The influence.
Speaker B:There's not too many great influences.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:I appreciate it.
Speaker B:And they're the ones.
Speaker B:Women are the ones that are going to shape us, and that's going to save us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, we make y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:We push them out.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And it took me a while to really understand the power and.
Speaker B:And the need of women.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I get it now.
Speaker B:So I'm, you know, I'm saying I'm.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm totally.
Speaker B:I'm totally team women.
Speaker B:Team black woman.
Speaker B:Team all women.
Speaker B:But, you know, come on, Black women.
Speaker B:You know, I did my ancestry.
Speaker B:I'm 50 Senegalese.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Just found that out.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:I was Cape Verdean, but I found out that Cape Verde is an island, not necessarily a race.
Speaker B:My mother's Cape Verdean, so when I did answers, it came back 50 from.
Speaker B:I'm sending 50 Senegalese.
Speaker B:And, like, is that 32?
Speaker A:Africa.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Africa is in Africa.
Speaker A:My husband is from Mauritania.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Far from Senegalese.
Speaker B:I was really happy Ashley did it.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker B:She did my ancestry, and I have a. I'm 7% Puerto Rican, 8% from Spain.
Speaker B:I have another.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do mine.
Speaker A:15.
Speaker B:You have to.
Speaker A:Where you do.
Speaker A:Where you go?
Speaker B:Ancestry.com.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do that.
Speaker B:You did they send you something.
Speaker B:You spitting it.
Speaker B:You wait two weeks and they send everything, man.
Speaker B:It's crazy.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do that when I get home.
Speaker A:You gotta do all my soul when.
Speaker B:I got to do it.
Speaker B:You're gonna be surprised.
Speaker B:Yeah, man.
Speaker B:I'm proud to be from Senegal.
Speaker B:I ordered me two soccer jerseys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I'm Proud to say that I.
Speaker A:Definitely want to see.
Speaker A:Well, listen, you know, we locked in.
Speaker A:I'm finna see.
Speaker A:Me and P Money finna see you.
Speaker A:This was a dope ass.
Speaker B:I can't wait till you get there.
Speaker A:Yeah, me too.
Speaker A:This is a dope ass interview.
Speaker A:Like, this was dope.
Speaker A:And I'm very impressed.
Speaker A:I'm proud of you, you know, and we finna make it happen like you.
Speaker A:We finna you back in the game.
Speaker A:This is it.
Speaker A:Me you uni shout out to mo better at P Money.
Speaker A:Minna, you need to bring your ass out there.
Speaker A:This dope photographer.
Speaker A:Watch when you see these pictures.
Speaker B:She just need to come.
Speaker A:She's dumb.
Speaker B:You don't need to come.
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker B:Because this is gonna be dope.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:It's gonna be.
Speaker B:She needs to come because this is going to be a great experience.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:The room we have is amazing.
Speaker A:Y' all ain't sick.
Speaker A:Pete.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker A:Did I show you all of them, man?
Speaker A:Yeah, it's dope.
Speaker B:I like the richness of it.
Speaker A:Me, too.
Speaker B:You know, the just.
Speaker B:The richness.
Speaker B:Like, the just.
Speaker B:Man.
Speaker A:And we got.
Speaker A:We got some outfits.
Speaker A:We're gonna hook you up.
Speaker A:I already talked.
Speaker A:I'll talk about that.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:No doubt.
Speaker A:And our guest gonna get.
Speaker A:Your guest's gonna get special gifts, too.
Speaker B:A man.
Speaker B:Man, look at this.
Speaker B:That's my first.
Speaker B:I'm gonna say it again.
Speaker A:It's first.
Speaker B:And I've had a lot of things, but I've never had a Versace roll.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna wear this proud, and I'm gonna think about you every time I wear it.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I got.
Speaker A:I got you one, too.
Speaker A:Versace.
Speaker B:Does it feel good when you run a house?
Speaker B:Does it feel amazing?
Speaker A:I usually add it in my.
Speaker B:In my hoodie.
Speaker B:When I put that on, I'm just like.
Speaker A:It's a different vibe.
Speaker A:I got every color.
Speaker A:I'm terrible, man.
Speaker A:I got every color, but it's a different vibe.
Speaker A:And I think, you know, my.
Speaker A:My brand is Bewitched.
Speaker A:You know what that stands for?
Speaker A:Building with Intentional Transformation.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:That's what Bewitch stands.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna be honest because I. I never really told a lot of people this, but it really was.
Speaker A:Black women invest, too.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:But because I deal with so many different, you know, ethnic backgrounds and different people, I made it for everybody.
Speaker A:So now I'm building with intentional transformation.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, it could have.
Speaker B:It could have multiple meanings, and it.
Speaker A:Does those two, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:All right, B. I'm finna see your ass next week.
Speaker A:I'll fly out to the A.
Speaker A:And we out.
Speaker A:Thank you for tapping in with Turning Legacy.
Speaker A:Me and my guy.
Speaker A:That was so.
